izzy - you snuck that one in while i was composing my previous post. i think you helped expand on what i was trying to say very nicely. i would just clarrify that not all terminal jockeys are like that. some of them around here have been quite helpful to me over time and good friends as well. i can think of testuser and hazmet right off the top of my head. there are others to be sure.
oh and izzy - you're gonna make a fine docter some day i think.
(isn't there a ZZ top song about a "perl necklace"?