What's your opinion about Macwarez?!

**theed** · February 27th, 2002, 03:58 PM

Are you f'n serious? I'm not even sure what name brand milk IS!

Ed's example was within the supply and demand model. Supply and demand is not driving the price of software down to the point of being beneficial for the consumer. It's overpriced, and the surplus capital goes to those companies, which goes to those programmers, who now purchase everything at inflated prices, since they have little demand for their own capital, since it is in such great supply.

If the programmers are not getting paid in line with the rest of people, then something is wrong. Should we all be programmers since there is such great demand? (I hope you don't have issues finding a job in technology like many of the rest of us are at this time.) Despite the few rich people, there isn't actually high demand for tech people right now. The pay vs. need schism is brought about by monopoly and barrier to entry in the market. These things directly negate the happiness of supply and demand economics.

I'm waiting for a call to see if I got a job I've interviewed for. Moderate pay, nice benefits, one job opening in a tiny town, and I was up against 100+ other applicants for the same position. In normal times there'd be like 20 other people applying for the job. Not 100. It's an employers market, there are lots of tech people needing jobs.

**ElDiabloConCaca** · February 27th, 2002, 04:22 PM

I'm assuming you've got some sort of computer science degree, then... why did you get that degree? Because you love to program or because when you started on the degree, programmers were in high demand and getting paid ridiculous salaries? I'm still working on a C.S. degree for reason #2, but seriously thinking about switching to something LESS technical and more applicable in the real world, like a major in business and a minor in C.S.

Don't get me wrong -- supply and demand here -- I love computers/programming/design/etc., but the marketplace is so damn flooded with people like me that it sucks to even stand in line to apply somewhere. Plus, the salaries are coming down because there are TOO many people out there looking for the same position.

I forsee the entire software purchasing/licensing scheme changing here in the next decade because of this and all the reasons discussed in this thread. Hehe... no, I don't have a four-year degree in phychic powers, either, but hell... it's gotta change for these reasons. I see software companies keeping the data files of the actual program on THEIR servers, and customers purchasing licenses to use those programs and using them over the internet. Of course, digital pirates will find ways to "spoof" their licenses and use the programs illegally, but I think it would SERIOUSLY cut down on software piracy as it exists today -- ie, physically copying a CD and using that.

Kiss CDs and boxes and manuals goodbye. And we have the pirates to thank for it!

**AppleWatcher** · February 28th, 2002, 08:50 AM

could you please start using the 'reply' button instead of the 'quote' button? or at least delete most of the quoting? it's a bit ugly like that, you're wasting my precious bandwidth.

Hey, we've 18 (or 19

) pages! Do you think that is possible without quoting?!

AppleWatcher

**fryke** · February 28th, 2002, 09:05 AM

Hmm... This thread started out as a really nice discussion about warez. I think it might even have made some users think about what they're doing. Saying that you *have* to quote whole pages just to add your comment so this thread becomes big enough sounds silly. But if your intention on here is to created big threads, start one about 'Windows is better'. And add some reality to it, you'll have the longest thread in a year, I guess.

**ksv** · February 28th, 2002, 09:06 AM

Even on a 9600 baud modem, a post only takes about a second to load...
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**ElDiabloConCaca** · February 28th, 2002, 09:46 AM

Originally posted by fryke
Hmm... This thread started out as a really nice discussion about warez. I think it might even have made some users think about what they're doing. Saying that you *have* to quote whole pages just to add your comment so this thread becomes big enough sounds silly. But if your intention on here is to created big threads, start one about 'Windows is better'. And add some reality to it, you'll have the longest thread in a year, I guess.

I think you're adding to the length of the post complaining about the length of the post...

Back ON topic -- where did we leave off? I was beginning to enjoy this thread! Never have I made so many enemies in one day! YEE-HA!

Let's see... who's pirated PhotoShop 7 beta and plans NEVER to pay for it? Who plans on pirating the final version of 7 when it's available and STILL never plans to pay for it? Who thinks they're justified in doing this to a great company like Adobe?

**AppleWatcher** · February 28th, 2002, 10:56 AM

And I still wanna know if it's legal to use warez from Microsoft

AppleWatcher

**ElDiabloConCaca** · February 28th, 2002, 11:08 AM

Ooh... you just said a word that chaps my friggin' hide every time I hear someone say it wrong. Too many times I've heard "warez" pronounced "WAR-ez" (two syllables, like the Hispanic name Juarez!) Hehe... I refrain from kindly explaining to them that it's an abbreviation for "softwares" and let them continue to humiliate themselves on their own.

At any rate, it's legal to use any "warez" from any "companiez" as long as you own a license! Now, "warez," as it's become commonly known to refer to pirated software, is not legal to use. Duh.

And yeah, I don't think your concience should get to you too much over using "warez" from Microsoft. But please, oh please, support Adobe and the other ass-bustin' companies that produce a quality product at a fair price.

Hehe... AND ALSO... please tell me you pronounce that "warez" with one syllable... please...