10.1.3 now avalable via software update

[hazmat]

Ed, I wonder if people get deceived about things being faster after updates because you restart your system, so memory and such is cleared out?

[julguribye]

to be honest, i didn't notice a thing...the screen wasn't even set to thousands. this has to be the most minimal update Apple has ever relased to osx (not due to the filesize though)

[edX]

ken, I think you have a good point about the rebooting thing. I tend to notice a temporary acceleration whenever I do it. Although the huge speed differences that osx exhibited after os 9.2.2 came out and then 10.1 was very real !!

I have noticed all my browsers being a little less stable after this update and expect to see lots of little updates to these and other programs over the the next few weeks. It should be some fun days ahead.

what i am really wondering is if apple did enough with this issue for some of the 3rd parties that have been promising osx compatibility to finally deliver.

[Dradts]

the windows still jump around when changing too fast between applications i hope apple will fix this bug soon. its getting on my nerves...

[mindbend]

I notice no changes on iMac DV 400. Will update tomorrow at work on DP G4 1 gig. I'm not expecting much.

I continue to be sorely disappointed in OS X's graphics layer. I'm beating a dead horse, but it's a joke. Calling it slow is being generous. I am fortunate enough to have the best machine Apple makes and IE, AI10, InDesign 2...make it every program in X runs like crap in terms of window resizing, zooming and grabber hand moving to name a few.

Apple had better freaking get this fixed, it's embarassing. I am very seriously thinking of going back to OS 9 because of this nonsense. And please, those of you you post replies about how it seems perfectly acceptable to you clearly aren't doing much production work where you need every ounce of speed you can get. I am dumbfounded by how people can continue to defend backward progress.

Maybe in six months or a year when Apple fixes this crap subsystem I will be converted, but until then it is poor, poor, poor.

I would accept in the short term the non-live window resize (outline instead of actual content), but that's not a user selectable option.

Argh! (in pirate voice)

Here's a challenge, can anyone name me one single app that runs faster in X? I can't think of one and I've got a bunch of em.

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Note that there is hope. Final Cut runs like a dream. Everything about it is pleasantly snappy and rendering smokes. Very nice. Windows manipulation very fast also. There is hope.

Also, games on the new DP with the GeForce card run great. It CAN be done!

[edX]

Note that there is hope. Final Cut runs like a dream. Everything about it is pleasantly snappy and rendering smokes. Very nice. Windows manipulation very fast also. There is hope.

Also, games on the new DP with the GeForce card run great. It CAN be done!

yes it can. so why do you continue to harp on this as apple's fault when it seems apparent that the problem lies in the talents of the developers? Just because microsoft doesn't make a browser that is worth having is not Apple's fault!!

one thing that is far better in osx - firewire devices. they load quicker and work smoother. This may not be an app per se, but it certainly effects the way some apps work. and makes running apps off an external hd a nice reality. I really can't tell the difference from my internal hd. and it isn't like that in os 9.

[mindbend]

I keep harping cuz I just dropped $3000 for suck-ass Quartz speed, that's why! And as for Apple's responsibility vs. the developers' responsibility, something tells me something is very wrong when not a single developer (Adobe, MYOB, Macromedia, Microsoft, Corel, Omnigroup, etc.) can make an X app that seems to run crisply. (Reminder:I'm ONLY talking about the graphics layer, not launch speed, rendering, calculations, etc.).

Firewire is great, you're right, I love it in X. Almost instant mounting is awesome! And very fast transfer speeds. Nice. Here's other stuff I love about X:
"smarter" app launching via extensions
built in server
it looks awesome
much better navigation options (now give my damn spring loaded folders back plz!)
dock is very efficient
Apple's software lineup is very well integrated
process killer, though I should'nt ever have to use it
it's just "cleaner"
easier to get where I need to, things are more logically placed
I can finally have multiple network protocols at once
auto-launching apps like dvd player, itunes, photo capture, etc.--smooth


But here's another thing slower in X that is all Apple's fault, network access. It takes me about half a minute to get fully mounted on our Win2K server including Command+K to bring up connection window, then login, then mount. OS 9 does this all in like 3 seconds. Lame. I thought X was supposed to be a network OS! Fortunately, the more important part, network transfer speeds are great. I can get slightly faster speeds (10%+-) from OS X than from our PC laptop connecting to the Win2K server.

I know my words sound harsher here in print, as all tongue-in-cheek and subtle sarcasm can be misconstrued for simple rudeness, but my point still remains. Until someone shows me an app that runs as well or better in X in the graphics layer, I will continue to harp on this. Non X users deserve to know the weakness of this otherwise great OS. Also, I want to keep the pressure on Apple in case any of them are watching.

[hazmat]

Originally posted by Ed Spruiell

yes it can. so why do you continue to harp on this as apple's fault when it seems apparent that the problem lies in the talents of the developers? Just because microsoft doesn't make a browser that is worth having is not Apple's fault!!

Good point, Ed. More and more I am demanding Cocoa apps for my own use. In almost every way they are smoother and better than the cluster fuck that the majority of Carbon apps seem to be.

OS 9 may be faster in a lot of ways, but I am still really happy with OS X. Coming from a UNIX and NT background, I still find OS 9 one of the most pathetic OS's I have ever used.