I bought my first PC

[uoba]

He could be a vendor sending it in the post? (help me out here plastic )

[plastic]

Ahem, I am a digital audio system integrater for Apple system. I have with me, three ORIGINAL Jaguars. And I am waiting for the first OS X enabled Logic Audio to come as well for testing purpose. I sent that dude a copy of Jaguar because I recently found out that he had bought for himself a TiBook! ha ha ha... a second hand 500 I think.

No, I do not support piracy. I compose music for NY company, peer music and I am suffering FIRST HAND from the effects of Napster.

Thank you.

[plastic]

Come to think about it, how many of you actually have the 10.1 CD packages? Remember the upgrade pack for 10.1.4? Anyone? I have only two sets with me, kicking myself for sending out eight copies. Gee... that was pretty dumb....

[Annihilatus]

Originally posted by hulkaros
Of course M$ made Windows 2000 Pro/Server which as I said in other posts are the most stable OSes M$ ever built (XP let's just say that it has another 2 or 3 Service Packs to go so that it can be called stable, mature, etc.) but they had Apple and Linux community to be afraid of... Or ain't that so? Come on, we all know the truth of how M$ afraids Linux & Apple too!

Every person, including myself, that has ever switched to Linux regretted it days later. Windows a much more friendly OS than Linux is and certain builds of Linux, like Mandrake, are so buggy and crash so often that you're better off just staying with Windows. As for XP itself needing a couple of service packs, I've always updated mine and it is extremely stable. My girlfriend never updates her version of XP and it's extremely stable. An old geezer that lives next to her that used to use a Mac and now uses a PC never updates and he too has never had stability issues. These are THREE regular people that don't have stability issues. I honestly think you're lying about being a PC technician.

Now regarding BSOD because you all seem NOT to get it, ask an IT manager of any given company how MANY dollars they throw to support their PCs and you will get it... Top dollars! Not just because of BSOD but because I said before the way that a Wintel PC chooses not to obey his master at random times and yes the problem is not solved by just reset the PC...

Well with all of the viruses made for the PC, it's rather normal that there would have to be a lot of support for PC computers. The same way there are complete morons using a Mac, there are morons using a PC and these are the geniuses that click on every attachment of every email they ever get. They also willingly sign up to every spam list and then complain about it. Knowing their stupidity, you would understand why IT would need so much money to cover up the holes they made. Replace all of those PC's with Macs and you'll have the same amount of stupid people regardless. Replace the market share of the PC with that of the Mac and more people will write viruses on the Mac for those stupid people to get infected with. The ONLY reason there are 'no security issues' with Macs as untrue as that is is because no geek is willing to bother destroying a Mac (most PC people will say that using a Mac is a pain in itself). Virus writers, who want their virus to be as popular as possible, don't see the point of infecting as little people as possible. Finally, ask hackers (not Mac users) what's easier to hack, Windows or Unix, and the real hackers will tell you that it's a lot easier getting into a Unix machine than a Windows machine. You'll all disagree, but you're all biased too.

As for low quality parts that cause the crashes, etc I think IBM, HP, Dell, Compaq et al claim to have the BEST PC parts one can find on the market and STILL have problems with Windows... To me as Omni puts it, while they said the following only for M$ Office, methinks that it is true for Windows too: M$ put so many features into their programs with so many options, buttons, etc and that makes their programs unreliable, not funny and make the end user feel stupid and not the other way around! Come on guys, even M$ admits that their OSes and apps are too massive for programmers to solve problems easily... And you know what? If their software was that good, how come and they constantly discover bugs? Gimme a break: Windows 2000 family Service Pack 3 its 130 MEGA BYTES for crying out LOUD... SP2 was 100 MB... You know what? The first release of the Win2k family, the full CD was more like 400-450 MB!!!

Let's be logical here for a second and put ourselves in the average consumer's shoes. A new version of Windows is released. Model A is a Windows version with the same sh*t but more secure and stable. Model B is a Windows version with an improved, nicer interface and extra features. Which of the two models will sell out? Why would MS choose Model B knowing that it will sell out? Assuming that aesthetics are the most important thing for a Mac user (since just about every thread here is focused on talking about how much prettier Mac OS X is and how Macs look nicer), MS knows that every consumer, even Mac users, would take model B. MS is a company, it wants to make money. It'll focus on what consumers want FIRST, cover up the rest after. No average consumer would pay 200$ for extra security. As for IBM, HP, Compaq and what not having the best quality hardware, if you are indeed a PC technician then you should know this to be false. Those companies put an integrated video card, audio card and modem, as well as an integrated network card. Whatever costs them the least and allows them to profit the most. NO OEM COMPANY, NOT EVEN APPLE, PUTS HARDWARE IN THEIR MACHINES THAT'S HIGH-QUALITY. If you want such a thing, you build the computer yourself. Again, if you're a PC technician and I know that you are not, you'll know that HSF modems, SiS audio, network and graphics chipsets don't allow you to do much. That's hardly high-quality.

Do you ANY of you think for real that Windows 2k and XP are that hot? Then how come NO company upgrades? Oh, I know: They wait when those OSes will be more mature... Or is it because companies afraid of falling victims of M$, again... And believe me, many companies start to realize that after all, M$ is not that good or any good at all... That's why Linux is on the rise as well as Mac OS X. Also, when I am talking of Apple I am not talking of Mac OS pre X times. No, I am talking of Mac OS X, which changed Apple for good from that niche company to one that sails for other seas, new ones or dare I say undiscovered ones?

Neither Linux nor Mac OS X is on the rise according to market stats, you're basically making up stuff as you go along. AS for companies not upgrading, you have to consider how much upgrading costs. Even if MS made the greatest OS tomorrow, companies would be satisfied with their previous offering and would stick to it until it's absolutely obselete. Think of NT4. The OS sucks IMO, but companies (even mine) are sticking to it because it works well enough. 2000 and XP are way better, but why pay a couple of thousand to get a nicer interface that does the same thing. Maybe as a Mac user you're used to spending massive amounts of money so that Photoshop loads a second quicker or iTunes plays a visualization smoother, but any consumer with a brain won't.

As for a product which sells more therefore is the best product available or a company which is No.1 in its sector is No.1 overall, that's plain BS... Obviously you haven't heard about Amiga OS, Atari OS, Stacker, DR, Novell, Quarterdeck, Norton, BE, and many-many other companies and products which more or less demolished by M$ while those offered a lot better technologies... Back at OS/2 times we had a 32bit OS which could be run at 4MB with GUI on a 386/33 MHz, with so many functions that M$ copied with Win9x and even with Win2k and still that OS disappeared from the market... I bet that even Linux could not beat the OS/2 requirements while running a GUI!

Actually I've heard of all those OS's. I still think that AMiga and Atari should have been where the PC and Mac are and PC and Mac should have died. However, that's not the case. OS/2 btw was a product that at its very beginning was created by MS. What was to become OS/2 when MS and IBM drifted apart became NT. To say though that OS/2 would run on a 386-33 wih 4 megs, while technically true in that it RUNS, it is such a painful experience that even people who don't understand DOS would want to go back to it. Since you're such an expert though, I'd like for you to at least mention a couple of things that MS copied from OS/2. It should be interesting to see how much bullsh*t you come up with.

So, back off, telling people around -and even worst, to yourselves- that M$ is the best out there because they are No.1 in the market, 'cause simply put that's a BIG lie, fellas...

I still think Word is the best word processing program and I still think Windows has the most easy to use interface I've ever used. In my opinion, they ARE the best. In a matter of moments though, my opinion will get a lot of responses from trolls.

Andre

[Annihilatus]

Originally posted by solrac
It's true that mac makes a system that a user can't ruinate. (Unless they sign in as root! HAHA)

I'm not sure whether you meant ruin or urinate. I assure you though that any consumer with enough willpower can learn to urinate on his Mac. And he won't need root access for it.

But the only reason the mac is behind is because of games. That's IT.

That's an opinion but I will go further and to tell you that the reason people aren't buying Macs is because their friends don't have it. The same thing that will push a person to use MSN Messenger over ICQ or AIM is what will push them to buy a PC over a Mac. The conversation is always the same: I'd like to contact you, do you have an ICQ number? -- No I use MSN messenger. The result is the person gets MSN messenger. The more people respond that they have MSN, the more likely that will be his choice. If your friend tells you that if you buy a PC, he'll copy all of his games for you, the likelihood is that you'll buy a PC to play games with him. Let's say you're a hockey fan and want to play NHL over a network, even if the Mac and PC copies of the game are fully compatible, regular people don't know that and will try to get a computer that's as similar as possible to their friends'. As a result, people buy PC's.

The ONLY thing that separates the mac as inferior to PC is that it costs more money to have a fast system and not as many games.

Paying 2000$ more for a system that's 2x as slow is definitely a factor, I agree.

Andre

[Annihilatus]

Originally posted by plastic
Ahem, I am a digital audio system integrater for Apple system. I have with me, three ORIGINAL Jaguars. And I am waiting for the first OS X enabled Logic Audio to come as well for testing purpose. I sent that dude a copy of Jaguar because I recently found out that he had bought for himself a TiBook! ha ha ha... a second hand 500 I think.

No, I do not support piracy. I compose music for NY company, peer music and I am suffering FIRST HAND from the effects of Napster.

This after extensive research has been done disproving that file-swapping has any effect on the purchase of music. Good job.

Andre

[solrac]

Originally posted by Annihilatus


I'm not sure whether you meant ruin or urinate. I assure you though that any consumer with enough willpower can learn to urinate on his Mac. And he won't need root access for it.

hey, ruinate is a word.

That's an opinion but I will go further and to tell you that the reason people aren't buying Macs is because their friends don't have it. The same thing that will push a person to use MSN Messenger over ICQ or AIM is what will push them to buy a PC over a Mac. The conversation is always the same: I'd like to contact you, do you have an ICQ number? -- No I use MSN messenger. The result is the person gets MSN messenger. The more people respond that they have MSN, the more likely that will be his choice. If your friend tells you that if you buy a PC, he'll copy all of his games for you, the likelihood is that you'll buy a PC to play games with him. Let's say you're a hockey fan and want to play NHL over a network, even if the Mac and PC copies of the game are fully compatible, regular people don't know that and will try to get a computer that's as similar as possible to their friends'. As a result, people buy PC's.

exactly. Which just boils back down to macs don't have games. Everyone's friend has a PC because the games are on it.

If the mac had all the games too, and sufficient time for consumer knowledge to spread that a mac game is fully compatible with a PC game (locally or on the network), then it wouldn't matter what your friends have. PC or Mac can communicate on the internet, has the same software, has all the games.

It is the lack of games that will turn away the largest percentage of consumers. Even a business man who just needs to use excel, could TOTALLY get a mac. But just because his kid wants to play counterstrike, he'll get a PC.

Paying 2000$ more for a system that's 2x as slow is definitely a factor, I agree.

Andre

Well that's a bit of exaggeration. More like $1000 more for a system that's 0.5 times as slow, yet twice as productive in software.

And if you say that windows is the easiest interface you've ever used, out of people who have used both mac and windows extensively (or even casually) then you are in a very unique group.

Maybe you're left-brained?

[hulkaros]

Originally posted by Annihilatus


Every person, including myself, that has ever switched to Linux regretted it days later. Windows a much more friendly OS than Linux is and certain builds of Linux, like Mandrake, are so buggy and crash so often that you're better off just staying with Windows. As for XP itself needing a couple of service packs, I've always updated mine and it is extremely stable. My girlfriend never updates her version of XP and it's extremely stable. An old geezer that lives next to her that used to use a Mac and now uses a PC never updates and he too has never had stability issues. These are THREE regular people that don't have stability issues. I honestly think you're lying about being a PC technician.

Andre

Look Anni-what? You win! You know everything and you and you other 2 or 3 friends are correct on every account. M$ is the best software/hardware company out there.

And yes you found out the truth: I am not a PC technician. But, I am a PC AND a Mac technician wither you like it or not... Believe it or not...

As for trolls and biased people on this forum, take the following steps:
-Get up
-Go in front of a mirror
-Look at yourself
-Take a good hard look and realize the truth...

You see? It wasn't that hard...