I bought my first PC

[plastic]

I could not touch the screen as I was reading this thread... all these flaming is making this thread too hot! Gee guys... cool off a little will ya? Please?

On the topic of extensive research, well, that is another topic altogether. Maybe we can have a flame war, composers in music losing 60% of income since iTunes came about... ha ha ha... nevermind... I had a good talk with someone from BMG (the dudes who shut Napster down initially)... and the figures were scary... ha ha ha... now the record companies are flooding the servers with rubbish and viruses. Which is scary. They are stooping so low to kill what they cannot control. I cannot totally agree with what they are doing to save income. But nevertheless, I do not support piracy.

Think about the poor dude who wrote a really good program and we simply rip them off, using it and not paying for it... gee... that dude has to pay bills and eat too right?

OK, enough of preaching.

Everyone do what you have to do. I was here asking everyone to turn the gas down feeding the flames... it is getting too hot in here. I blame the weather...

[mmilano]

hulkaros: pretty rightous speech there loaded with opinion and presented as fact. but i can respect that. i just want to comment on a few things.

PC rulez! Ok?

here we are off to a bad start. i read your entire post and you are talking about windows in this paragraph. you clearly acknowledge linux below, but you are not counting for the fact that linux and every other flavor of unix runs on pcs except for os x.

"PC rulez! Ok? No, I really mean this... They rule the world for real! And then comes Hulkaros and tries to defend a crappy OS by the name of Mac OS X and all of a sudden he and that OS are BS!

Personal experience friends not with one PC, not two, not even a thousand.... "

-- well i read that a few times and could not make much sense of it. maybe you are defending os x? i don't think anyone is knocking it. it is a great os.

Not for our company only but for those customers who switched to the Mac platform too! The Total Cost of Ownership is REALLY low when you buy and/or sell Macs wither you like it, believe it or not...

it's obvious you are not supporting a corporate environment, and you are working with consumers who probably use macs at home. you are entitled to your opinion about price, but in my opinion you are way off. i've had the same pc running win2k for over a year now that has not costed me over $800 that i spent the day i purchased it. my other pc that i purchased since then has not costed me more money either... and while i'm at it, neither has my mac.

Of course M$ made Windows 2000 Pro/Server which as I said in other posts are the most stable OSes M$ ever built (XP let's just say that it has another 2 or 3 Service Packs to go so that it can be called stable, mature, etc.) but they had Apple and Linux community to be afraid of... Or ain't that so? Come on, we all know the truth of how M$ afraids Linux & Apple too!

that is the most truth i've read in your entire post.

Now regarding BSOD because you all seem NOT to get it, ask an IT manager of any given company how MANY dollars they throw to support their PCs and you will get it... Top dollars! Not just because of BSOD but because I said before the way that a Wintel PC chooses not to obey his master at random times and yes the problem is not solved by just reset the PC...

uhh.. how many companies use macs for their entire network? i work for a company in the media industry, and we a macs, but they are used primarily for media and the few who work remote as they chose titanium laptops. i'm just saying you can't ask an IT manager because most of them are dealing with pc's running windows in a corporate environment. if they were working with macs, certainly they would be working with older macs too which beleive it or not, they have their own problems too as i've seen quite a few times at my own job.

Do you ANY of you think for real that Windows 2k and XP are that hot? Then how come NO company upgrades?

sorry buddy, "you're wrong". my corporation has upgraded, and all new systems are xp. even though i wish they just kept win2k. i know several companies who use current ms os' too. but remember now, we are not talking about corporate networks.. that is not a fair comparisant because how many corporations us os x?

I bet that even Linux could not beat the OS/2 requirements while running a GUI!

you should really know what you are talking about before you start talking about linux. "linux" is such a gereral term and there are many distros. i can tell by that statment that you haven't seen more than maybe 1 version.

So, back off, telling people around -and even worst, to yourselves- that M$ is the best out there because they are No.1 in the market, 'cause simply put that's a BIG lie, fellas...

wtf are you talking about? if you read this post more carefully, i think people educating the blind who keep saying "pc's suck" that ms isn't as bad as they say. even i think that osx is way more beautiful than any windows product, and of course unix is extremely more robust.. but i can acknowledge that "pc's" in general don't suck, and i can distinguish the difference between pc's and windows when i'm conversing.

Oh, and one other thing: The ones defending the PC always mention of stupid users who mess their machines and they are the ones to blame and not M$... Obviously you don't have an idea of how a real programming MUST be done or you are working for M$...

by far one of the lamest things you've said. i can open up my terminal in os x as root and type "rm -rf *" and screw up a lotta sh*t. there are tons of other ways too. now what about the people who are programmers? what about users who are power users? i can get into osx and screw up plenty of crap, and i don't blame programmers for that, it is a feature. when users mess up windows, they are usually messing with system settings or files just like how i could screw up os x. besides i believe only 1 person here used that as an example. you exaggerate.

And for those who think that I am blind, I say to them that they may be right on the mark but I am in the privilege position of having both at my fingers. I use both. I HAVE to use both. I care for both. I want to use both.

yeah, your post is kinda blind. i use both and care for both too. i can appreciate my mac for what it is.. i can appreciate my pcs for what they are.

if you read this entire post more carefully, .. you might notice no one is saying that MS is the best as you are portraying. they are more defending the ignorant remarks that pc's suck and so on.

i hope i don't seem like i'm trying to talk down to people. that is sorta the vibe i got from your post .. although you are interpretting the others you are speaking at wrong. i just want to preset all this for intelligent discussion without emotions or mactosterone involved.

[Annihilatus]

Originally posted by solrac

hey, ruinate is a word.

Yes, an adjective. Not a verb.

exactly. Which just boils back down to macs don't have games. Everyone's friend has a PC because the games are on it.

If the mac had all the games too, and sufficient time for consumer knowledge to spread that a mac game is fully compatible with a PC game (locally or on the network), then it wouldn't matter what your friends have. PC or Mac can communicate on the internet, has the same software, has all the games.

It is the lack of games that will turn away the largest percentage of consumers. Even a business man who just needs to use excel, could TOTALLY get a mac. But just because his kid wants to play counterstrike, he'll get a PC.

Exactly. But let's not forget that even if one game is available on the Mac, not all of them are. You'll get big-name games like Quake or Diablo, but you won't get a lot of newcomers until a year or two later. The PC platform is where game companies WANT to release their games first becuase if their small, budget game becomes a success, it will make a couple of million instead of a couple of thousand. Let's say for instance I get a team of programmers and make a game called Leapin' Lanny in the Land of the Lovely Ladies and it becomes a hit, if I've released that game for the PC, I can make money from my budget game. If I release it for the Mac, I won't. Because if only 10% of all PC users buy my game, I'll have a few million sales. If 10% of all Mac users buy my game, I probably won't even cut a profit.

Well that's a bit of exaggeration. More like $1000 more for a system that's 0.5 times as slow, yet twice as productive in software.

Saying it's more productive is a lie. Mac users will come up with a new reason to switch to Mac every time a PC outdoes them in a field. At first it was the GUI. Once PC got that it was the spped. Once PC got sufficiently fast, it was the stability. Once Windows became stable, they started talking about how productive it is. What determines the productivity of a computer? Will the computer determine that or will the user determine that? Currently, my PC with all of the software I have does way more than a Mac. Therefore my PC is more productive. Plus it costs some 2000$ less than a Mac with most of the software not even available. A computer is not productive, a person is productive. If you're lazy, the Mac won't make you active.

And if you say that windows is the easiest interface you've ever used, out of people who have used both mac and windows extensively (or even casually) then you are in a very unique group.

What's so hard to understand about Windows? Currently loaded programs are at the bottom, currently loaded service are in the tray. All the programs available are in the start menu and if I think something is running, I can do CTRL-ALT-DEL and see what's in memory? It's simply, it's organized and frankly it's organized. If I find that copying files through the GUI is a pain, I can go into DOS and use a command like COPY BITCH*.* C:\REAL and it'll copy any files in a directory that begins with BITCH into the REAL directory. That's simplicity for me.

Maybe it's the 146 IQ.

[Annihilatus]

Originally posted by hulkaros

Look Anni-what? You win! You know everything and you and you other 2 or 3 friends are correct on every account. M$ is the best software/hardware company out there.

As long as you can admit it, all is well. Acknowledging it is the first step to accepting it.

And yes you found out the truth: I am not a PC technician. But, I am a PC AND a Mac technician wither you like it or not... Believe it or not...

Then you must be a freelance technician because I can't see how anyone would want to hire someone who creates as much false information and assumes so many false things as you do.

As for trolls and biased people on this forum, take the following steps:
-Get up
-Go in front of a mirror
-Look at yourself
-Take a good hard look and realize the truth...

Honestly, when I look in the mirror, I see a good looking guy who doesn't like to be fed assumptions, rumours and beliefs but rather real information. I don't see how you can call me a troll for defending my platform with truth rather than the BS you like to defend yours with.

[Annihilatus]

Originally posted by plastic
On the topic of extensive research, well, that is another topic altogether. Maybe we can have a flame war, composers in music losing 60% of income since iTunes came about... ha ha ha... nevermind... I had a good talk with someone from BMG (the dudes who shut Napster down initially)... and the figures were scary... ha ha ha... now the record companies are flooding the servers with rubbish and viruses. Which is scary. They are stooping so low to kill what they cannot control. I cannot totally agree with what they are doing to save income. But nevertheless, I do not support piracy.

I don't support it either. I buy any software I find useful because I like to support companies that make good things. However, when record companies release albums with two good songs in a total of 14, they're basically shooting themselves in the foot. If you want people to buy albums, stop releasing so many sh*tty ones.

[hulkaros]

Originally posted by mmilano
i hope i don't seem like i'm trying to talk down to people. that is sorta the vibe i got from your post .. although you are interpretting the others you are speaking at wrong. i just want to preset all this for intelligent discussion without emotions or mactosterone involved.

Ok, you win! I hope you feel better... I am wrong and you are right.

But in one account you are DEAD wrong: I work for a company which supports government companies and/or private sector companies as well as customers who buy computers for home use and/or office use.

Me hulkaros dumb, you smart... You win!

[Excalibur]

Originally posted by Annihilatus


I don't support it either. I buy any software I find useful because I like to support companies that make good things. However, when record companies release albums with two good songs in a total of 14, they're basically shooting themselves in the foot. If you want people to buy albums, stop releasing so many sh*tty ones.

Amen to that one. Couldn't have said it better myself. LOL

[hulkaros]

Originally posted by Annihilatus


As long as you can admit it, all is well. Acknowledging it is the first step to accepting it.

Then you must be a freelance technician because I can't see how anyone would want to hire someone who creates as much false information and assumes so many false things as you do.

Honestly, when I look in the mirror, I see a good looking guy who doesn't like to be fed assumptions, rumours and beliefs but rather real information. I don't see how you can call me a troll for defending my platform with truth rather than the BS you like to defend yours with. [/b]

Obviously your are one of them who as they say you see in the mirror only what you want to see and not the truth...

As for defending your platform with truth and not BS that other feed you, obviously you don't know the truth: Wintel platform feeds you SO much of it and it seems that you enjoy it! So, excuse me if I try to feed you some of mine too...