who started using USB...Apple or ? - Page 5

Golfer099 · #33 August 9th, 2005, 01:28 PM

No way about ADB on laptops. I have (and am still using everyday) a 6 year old Bronze Keyboard PowerBook G3 first issued in May 99 that has USB 1.1. The iBook did not exist then, but when it was introduced in Oct 1999 it did have USB. I do have a SCSI port and was the last Apple laptop without FireWire, but despite that I have it on my PCMCIA card.

RacerX · #34 August 9th, 2005, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by contoursvt

RacerX, its true NT4 out of the box did not support USB, but there are 3rd party USB drivers such as this one http://www.bsquare.com/products/usbwin40/

Besides the fact that it is not Windows NT 4.0 supporting USB (Microsoft never fixed that), the product you linked to was released in November of 2000... that was pretty late in the NT 4.0 product life for a fix (from a third party).

So, like I said before, USB support wasn't introduced into the NT line until Windows 2000... even though there were PCs being made with USB during the time that Windows NT 4.0 was being developed at Microsoft (which shows what a friendly relationship Microsoft and Intel have if Microsoft was unwilling to add USB support in NT 4.0).

Also it should be noted that both Windows NT 4.0 and OS/2 Warp 4.0 were released about the same time (1996), and IBM released a patch to enable USB support for Warp while Microsoft never did for NT 4.0. As both of these operating systems are based on the same historical kernel, I doubt that Microsoft was having any technical issues that prevented them from adopting USB. They just decided not to support it.

**fryke** · #35 August 9th, 2005, 05:05 PM

Well, MS also only started with Windows 2000 to bring the NT-kernel "down" to consumers. This development was only finished with Windows XP, actually (Win2K, by consumers, still often was viewed as a 'business only' OS). But we don't have to defend MS here. They made some strange decisions in the past - and sure will in the future.
But Apple can't just be called a hero here. For example, we still can't just 'fill' CD-Rs over time. If you burn a CD-R in the Finder, the CD-R is 'finished', i.e. no other sessions can be added. Other OSs do a much better job here, and I'm totally unsure as to why Apple doesn't do a better job here. Maybe they think it'd confuse users? But actually, I think, people are often confused by the way it's now with OS X...

andyhargreaves · #36 August 10th, 2005, 01:58 AM

I remember that feeling when Win2K was introduced at the University where I was at the time - Oooh, this must be something special! Not sure where that impression came from, though.

Also, have to agree with you about the CD burning issue. As a reasonably new mac convert from Win XP, it was one thing I felt OS X could've been done better.

That said, there are many more things that OS X does better than Windows. 'Nuff said on that one!

Andy

hawki18 · #37 September 5th, 2005, 10:32 PM

USB was supported in windows 95b there wasn't alot of devices to use with it but was late 95 or early 96 that the second update to win95 made it navive to support