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While I totally agree with everyone, and would LOVE to see the new mb(p) released, unfortunetly, I would have to say that apple still holds the competitive advantage in this case (IMO off course). Reason being this: I am a fairly new apple user (just under 1.5 years) who would love the specs that all those other machines have, not to mention the great price on them. However even if I was given a choice (which I just had as I bought my mb), unfortunetly OSX is what FORCED me to chose apple. I'm sorry, but yes the macs look nice, ect. but what keeps me here is the crap that I dont have to deal with in Windows. Its sad to say, but even if they were selling widows based computers for dirt cheap, I would still have to consider paying the extra $ (this coming from a student).

That said, it would be great if the prices for them were the same, as they would have more converts... however, its a typical case of supply and demand. Apple is already at its capacity (as shown with the crazy wait times for a new machine), and its simply a case of our commercial economic system working how Adam Smith dreamed.
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That said, it would be great if the prices for them were the same, as they would have more converts... however, its a typical case of supply and demand. Apple is already at its capacity (as shown with the crazy wait times for a new machine), and its simply a case of our commercial economic system working how Adam Smith dreamed.[/quote]



I do not agree with you Apple could have there overseas computer building contactors put out more machines. It just Apple like always slow playing the hardware updates and they charging 30% more same hardware in Wim machines.
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I do not agree with you Apple could have there overseas computer building contactors put out more machines. It just Apple like always slow playing the hardware updates and they charging 30% more same hardware in Wim machines.
But didn't the price comparison with the Mac Pro and other show than now Apple machines are around the same price as equivalent spec PCs? I believe the seemingly higher price is just as there baseline specs are higher.
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But didn't the price comparison with the Mac Pro and other show than now Apple machines are around the same price as equivalent spec PCs? I believe the seemingly higher price is just as there baseline specs are higher.
For the high-end machine, yes. But not as much with some others. Dell knows that it can tack on a bit more price with it's high-end model, because high-end customers buy it. Of course, at some point you have to add value (to Macs) for the ability to run OS X, and more intelligent hardware design. For example, even after several years to catch up, no desktop design even remotely challenges that of an iMac (G4 or G5).

Sure, you can get a machine that is faster, and less expensive. But it's just a machine, not a Mac. There's more than just looking at hardware specs when buying a computer. Even for PC users, they may be willing to pay a bit more to get a machine from Dell, when they could get the same thing for less from eMachines, simply because Dell has a better track record.

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i wouldn't be able to buy a windows pc now. the fact that you are pretty much forced to use windows is too much of a crippling factor. sure you can rip a movie at 1.7fps faster than the mac book pro, but at what cost? endless headaches.

mac os x is worth about 500mhz in my books.
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However even if I was given a choice (which I just had as I bought my mb), unfortunetly OSX is what FORCED me to chose apple. I'm sorry, but yes the macs look nice, ect. but what keeps me here is the crap that I dont have to deal with in Windows. Its sad to say, but even if they were selling widows based computers for dirt cheap, I would still have to consider paying the extra $ (this coming from a student).
Ever heard of linux? Completely free(save on the OS PRICE), completely free software to go with it, and not to mention they are more user friendly linux, in the case of Ubuntu. Infact you can run ubuntu off of a CD just to see what it looks like(live cd). Of course the speed of the OS will be determined by your optical drive which is slower than your hard drive. Nothing is installed on your hard drive everything is from and remains on the cd you burned.

Http://ubuntu.com to find out more and burn a cd(700MB) and try it for yourself. remember to hold down the C key during start up to boot up from the cd.

if Pcs were dirt cheap with crazy specs, and i'm in a tight spot(money, im a student) and i just need a computer to fullfill my needs, I would go linux. In fact I currently am running ubuntu as well as tiger on my powermac g5. I'm planning on running fedora later on to replace ubuntu.
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Old September 29th, 2006, 06:12 AM
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yes but on the whole, you can't run real programs, so it stops relatively quickly.
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yes but on the whole, you can't run real programs, so it stops relatively quickly.
That depends on what constitutes as a "real program" for you. i use Linux daily on my work laptop (Ubuntu Dapper) and it more than fits my needs, better than Windows that's for sure. GIMP, gThumb, Gaim, OpenOffice.org, Firefox, Flash, Java, Realplayer for Linux, GFTP, Nvu, FCE Ultra (NES emulator), ZSNES (SNES emulator), RealVNC client, SSH client, RhythmBox Audio player, VLC, Totem....the list goes on and on.

Most of these apps I also use on my Mac (with the exception of the GNOME-centric applications). So it really is a subjective matter.
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