Vista Stinks... Here's Why...

[Damrod]

We discussed the whole Vista shebang at lunch yesterday, and we basically agreed on the following:

- Hardware producers might have asked to design the thing so people need new hardware to use all features of the system. HArd to prove, but think about it. Think DirectX 10 etc

- it's absurd for the standard user to switch if he's not going to buy a new PC anyways. MAkes no sense, and is not needed if he has a fully patched up XP SP 2.

The rest has to develope. We tried it out for about two or three months now (we got Vista early through the MSDNAA-program at our university), and the verdict so far is: people are all over the GUI, but apart from that you do not hear much about anything else. Everyone always tells you about the new 3D window thing or whatever that he discoverd, not about any "real" features.

Guess the whole thing has to sink in and develop.

[Tommo]

Having used Vista now for several months from Beta 2 to the finished product I can say it is a fine operating system. Am I the only one who gets really annoyed by the whole switch thing, I, like many have not 'switched' from PC to Mac or vice versa. I am a computer user who embraces both platforms with equal enthusiasm.

Firstly on respect to the cost, as has been mentioned there is a lot more in this windows update than in the usual Mac point update say from 10.3 to 10.4, so assuming that most Mac users take all point releases you will have bought 4 upgrades if you buy Leopard in the same time frame as XP to Vista, add them up and you get roughly the same cost.

Yes WINFS was removed sometime ago, but what has been removed from Leopard ? Answer we don't know because Apple are so secretive about what they plan to include in the first place.

Symphonix, if you think computers work with peripherals 'out of the box' you have obviously never encountered Epson scanners and OSX:-)

For a fair assesment you need to give Vista, or any other OS a chance and at least 6 months of use, and then judge it on more than cosmetic appearance and platform predjudice.

[Lt Major Burns]

post of the month ^^^

[MrTAToad]

Its probably better to say nothing that mention loads of stuff that gets removed later - people assuming, if things are removed, that there is trouble with the design or implementation.

[fryke]

Which reminds me that Apple _still_ hasn't brought back "minimize in place", a Dock feature of early Jaguar betas. I'd _love_ to use that feature, and no I'm *not* going to buy something running on APE for this. (I've had too many kernel panics because of WindowShadeX alone...)

But on topic: Bill Gates in an interview has bashed Apple quite a bit. -> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16934083/site/newsweek/

[serpicolugnut]

fryke - I don't remember any "minimize in place" feature being dropped pre-jaguar. Can you provide some details?

I remember the first public viewing of Aqua - Jan. 2000 at MWSF featured a "single window mode" button next to the other Window buttons (close, minimize and maximize) that was purple.

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[Lt Major Burns]

he sounds very bitter, actually. Steve Jobs' growing confidence/baiting has had it's effect. these people really don't like each other.

[andychrist]

Fryke, when was the last time you used APE? Because the newest version seems to run a whole lot more efficiently than before-- when I boot up, I have much more free RAM now than previously. Never had a kernel panic from an Unsanity product either, and my system is fairly riddled with 'em.

As to the new interface in Vista, must say I don't understand why so many reviewers have been gushing over it. Was truly looking forward to seeing the new GUI in action but was rather let down by the childish color scheme and clutter. Makes me appreciate the subtle sophistication of the OS X interface. Despite the unfortunate brushed metal.