Microsoft "Longhorn" Discussion - Page 4

Ricky · #25 October 26th, 2003, 10:28 PM

http://www.anim8.biz/files/longhorn.png
I'm finishing this and sending it to them so they can see how much they suck.

Pengu · #26 October 26th, 2003, 11:49 PM

Hate to be the one to say it Ricky, but..
I don't get it.
What is it that is supposed to be showing us or them, how much MS sucks?
Sure it looks uber-crap, but it looks like a grey version of the actual thing to me..
Making something grey doesnt prove its crap. Make OSX look all grey and it would be crap too..

hulkaros · #27 October 27th, 2003, 03:28 AM

LongHorn is a long way home

for the Wintel/Amd people around here and so far an ugly one

Back to serious self: I think all those stuff are SO early to judge if they suck or blow but one thing is for sure: By then, Apple will offer us something a lot better than that

Jason? What do you like there? Of course it may look better than the all blue stuff but still it is uglier than Windows 95 GUI

Shame on you!

Pengu · #28 October 27th, 2003, 04:11 AM

The "new" (anything after 2000) windows UIs seam to be like crappy webpages using way too much javascript, squished into a desktop environment...

**fryke** · #29 October 27th, 2003, 05:27 AM

Yep. It's really just a skin slapped onto the Window GUI, which of course costs some processor/graphics card time. But then I guess it's more compatible than really creating a new GUI with new widgets etc. Well, it's not really our problem. Unless they _really_ go Brushed Metal. :P

**Jason** · #30 October 27th, 2003, 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hulkaros

Jason? What do you like there? Of course it may look better than the all blue stuff but still it is uglier than Windows 95 GUI

Shame on you!

well lets start with this, first off, the way something looks is a completely subjective matter.

second, this looks many times better than win95, its like saying os8 looks better than panther, and i'm sure you would agree with that.

third, how do you know what apple is going to have by the time longhorn launches, or even better, what the final longhorn is going to look like?

some of the bias around here is astonishing, throw out common sense just to say "mac is good!"

geez people, its an operating system, they do the same thing different ways, they are both getting better over time, and thats a fact.

**fryke** · #31 October 27th, 2003, 08:46 AM

Hmm... Jason: It's not completely subjective. Taste is not a matter of opinion. It's a matter of whether you've got any. :P

Without turning this into a subversive discussion about UI-design repeating all the basics that we've talked about every so often... There's a simplicity in both the Win95 UI (used in Win 95, 98, NT 4, Me, 2000) and the Classic Mac OS that the newer iterations (i.e. XPs Fisher Price and Apple's Aqua/NewAqua & Brushed Metal) do not achieve. All the newer UI-designs make use of newer technologies like Alpha Channels etc. (transparency, shadowing). Some do that more efficiently, others less, but they all do to some extent. The question, however, is, whether there ever was a need to do so at all.

I'd personally say that in some places, it made sense. I've gotten used to Aqua's very extensive use of shadows, transparency etc., but it kinda impresses me now when I look at the clarity of a system running, say, Mac OS 8.0.

lilbandit · #32 October 27th, 2003, 08:57 AM

Somebody asked at the beginning of this thread about reason why MS are waiting so long till the next release, I think it has something to do with the recent monopoly rulings against them. They aren't free from those until 2005/6 or something. I agree with Jason that some balance of common sense should be maintained but the fact is that MS have been found guilty after an unbelievable legal struggle to prove what everybody knows. Depending on what area you earn a living in, I suppose you could claim that Windows is sh**. My brother is a Java programmer and spends hours cursing XP, I'm a teacher and spend hours cursing XP for constant hassle. I genuinely belive that Windows IS sh**, at least in the area that I have experience with! Sweeping statements like these are dangerous and often ignorant if you don't have direct experience to back it up. I'm sure that there are areas that XP excels in but I must say that my own time spent with it has been difficult to say the least. For the first time ever, the school has had to engage the services of an outside technician to service the 24 computers that we have. They are all within 8 months old and run XP. They cost the school a fortune and are proving difficult to maintain. Nothing exotic is added to them, they are not even networked! They just seem to give more trouble than the teaching staff have time to fix.