Winexposé - Page 3

RacerX · #17 January 8th, 2004, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kendall

ichat av, file vault, finder, yep, pretty much all inspired by Windows.

Care to elaborate on any of those so I can show you were the original ideas can from.

For example, the Finder. What are you suggesting is Windows-like? The side bar is a direct descendant from the NeXT shelf that was on every windows in NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP's workspace manager.

File Vault was just taking something I had my clients doing for a long time a step further. I had been using encrypted disk images for quite some time, Apple just took it a step further with making the user directory an encrypted image.

And video conferencing has been around for more than 10 years (my 1993 SGI came with the software and hardware needed to to it). The major step forward was that Apple is using the existing AIM network to provide an easy way to connect to each other.

kendall · #18 January 8th, 2004, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RacerX

Care to elaborate on any of those so I can show you were the original ideas can from.

For example, the Finder. What are you suggesting is Windows-like? The side bar is a direct descendant from the NeXT shelf that was on every windows in NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP's workspace manager.

File Vault was just taking something I had my clients doing for a long time a step further. I had been using encrypted disk images for quite some time, Apple just took it a step further with making the user directory an encrypted image.

And video conferencing has been around for more than 10 years (my 1993 SGI came with the software and hardware needed to to it). The major step forward was that Apple is using the existing AIM network to provide an easy way to connect to each other.

please, give me long drawn out pages of psychobabble racerx style.

i dont really care where the hell these technologies originated from, my point is, they arent original. windows users have been privy to them for quite some time and the fact that 10.3 introduced them long after 2000/xp makes panther look like its playing catchup.

obviously apple looked at windows, not an indy box and said, they've got this, this and this and we need it to.

serpicolugnut · #19 January 8th, 2004, 06:43 PM

As much as I hate to agree with the older sibling of SpeedRacer, he's right. I can think of only one major feature that Apple lifted from Windows - and that would be fast user switching. Still, Apple implements it better than Windows does. There are lots of little things that Apple finally implemented from Winows (like being able to "copy" a file in the Finder, for instance), but most of the stuff you list came from a company other the Microsoft.

If Apple was smart, Exposé is patented, and WinExposé will soon be looking at a lawsuit.

I just hope I can download a copy for my pathetic HP laptop before it comes...

:-)

serpicolugnut · #20 January 8th, 2004, 08:30 PM

Well, I anted up the $9.99 for it. As much as I hate to put money in the pocket of someone who is infringing on Apple's IP, I wanted to see how good/bad this implementation is.

Well, the verdict is in. Winexpose (like Windows itself) is a shell of the technology it rips off from Apple. On a HP Pavillion with 64MB of VRAM, the animations are abyssmal. There is no "rollover" effect like what you get with Expose, something that is integral to the experience. It's choppy and inconsistent in it's behavior (sometimes you can switch between modes, sometimes you have to pick a window before you can switch to another window mode).

If you have a Windows machine, I'd pass on this. Apple will be all over these guys before the major quirks can be worked out.

Quote:

Originally Posted by serpicolugnut

As much as I hate to agree with the older sibling of SpeedRacer, he's right. I can think of only one major feature that Apple lifted from Windows - and that would be fast user switching. Still, Apple implements it better than Windows does. There are lots of little things that Apple finally implemented from Winows (like being able to "copy" a file in the Finder, for instance), but most of the stuff you list came from a company other the Microsoft.

If Apple was smart, Exposé is patented, and WinExposé will soon be looking at a lawsuit.

I just hope I can download a copy for my pathetic HP laptop before it comes...

:-)

gribuz · #21 January 9th, 2004, 02:10 AM

Expose for Windows is just another way too crash the system, much quicker :P

Arden · #22 January 9th, 2004, 03:26 AM

Dude, Serp, demand your money back.

Oh, and Kendall seems to be trolling at times lately (not necessarily all the time, but at times)... it might be best to take his comments with a grain of salt.

mindbend · #23 January 9th, 2004, 12:32 PM

We also bought it and installed it on our one PC. Seemed good at first, then the realization that it just wasn't the same started to kick.

For one, the stuttery motion is terrible. Also, it caused other GUI stuttering for no apparent reason even when not being used. Finally, you (apparently) have to use it with two acivation keys instead of one on the Mac. There may be a way around this, but we couldn't find it.

In short, nice try, but it just ain't the same.

Be sure of one thing though, lawsuit or not, Longhorn will have a version of Exposé. It's too good not to steal.

**fryke** · #24 January 9th, 2004, 09:15 PM

Concept-wise, though, Mac OS X _needed_ Exposé to bring along a way to more easily choose between open windows. MS Windows already _has_ a different windowing system that allows to select different windows from the taskbar. Sure, Exposé is the much better system, but I don't think Longhorn will implement an Exposé copy, rather, they'll improve their current system, which seems the more logical thing to do for them.

But back on topic: Can anyone confirm that Apple _has_ a patent? I'm quite sure it's very difficult to patent such a thing. ;-) However, I also think that Apple should _not_ sue these guys. (As it's really free promotion for Apple.) At the same time, I guess they _will_ all the same.