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#1 Rhapsody
August 18th, 2009, 05:37 PM
Is there a way to use System 7 completely off floppies while still being usable? The minimum OS is 7.1.1. Would that be any smaller than 7.5? I currently am using the System and Finder from the Network boot disk and RamDisk+ for a RAM disk.

I would like to use it as a web server, if possible.

Any suggestions?
fryke
August 18th, 2009, 06:24 PM
There _are_ ways to slim down System 7.1, but if you want to have a webserver running off of it, you'll need the network stuff, and floppies only have _so_ much space to use. (The original Disk Tools disk contained a bootable system 7 on one disk AFAIK.) I'm not sure whether it can be done, but more importantly, I'm not sure whether it _should_ be done. A 3.5" floppy disk is not exactly something that'll live forever with constant read-write actions due to the webserver running. (Well, mostly read actions, I guess...)
icemanjc
August 18th, 2009, 06:46 PM
There _are_ ways to slim down System 7.1, but if you want to have a webserver running off of it, you'll need the network stuff, and floppies only have _so_ much space to use. (The original Disk Tools disk contained a bootable system 7 on one disk AFAIK.) I'm not sure whether it can be done, but more importantly, I'm not sure whether it _should_ be done. A 3.5" floppy disk is not exactly something that'll live forever with constant read-write actions due to the webserver running. (Well, mostly read actions, I guess...)

Disk Tools is what I used when I ran my 1400 off of a floppy.
#1 Rhapsody
August 18th, 2009, 09:27 PM
icemanjc,

What did you do with your PB 1400? I haven't found many possibilities for my PB use.
#1 Rhapsody
August 19th, 2009, 10:16 AM
Icemanjc?
icemanjc
August 19th, 2009, 10:37 AM
icemanjc,

What did you do with your PB 1400? I haven't found many possibilities for my PB use.

Sorry, school keeps me pretty busy.

Well I had my 1400 about two to three years ago and I pretty much only used it for word processing in school and maybe a couple of games. Also at that time my hard drive was functional.

Honestly, I don't see a reason to use a floppy as a startup disk. When I ran off a floppy I just used SimpleText and nothing more. The system itself takes up more than half the floppy. I would simple replace the hard drive, it's cheap and not to hard to do.

Eventually I upgraded the 1400, it had a processor upgrade to 250 mhz G3 and a 20 GB hard drive, it also had an ethernet PC card so I could have internet on it easily. Eventually I sold it with Microsoft Office Suite and bunch of old school games.
icemanjc
August 19th, 2009, 10:40 AM
Ahh crap, disregard this post.
#1 Rhapsody
August 19th, 2009, 11:20 AM
Sorry, school keeps me pretty busy.

That's OK. I thought you weren't going to answer though because you visited earlier this morning.

Anyway,

The HD would be hard to find a replacement for. It is a 2.5" SCSI drive. Do you know where to get one?

When you ran off floppy could you use the battery?

Thanks,
#1 Rhapsody
fryke
August 19th, 2009, 02:08 PM
Why wouldn't you be able to use the battery when running off a floppy? The battery doesn't care... I'm not sure whether the HD or Floppy uses more power, but both work just fine when running on battery power.
#1 Rhapsody
August 19th, 2009, 02:26 PM
Why wouldn't you be able to use the battery when running off a floppy? The battery doesn't care... I'm not sure whether the HD or Floppy uses more power, but both work just fine when running on battery power.

I think you need at least the minimal install for the battery icon to show up. Because of this, I don't think it knows that there is a battery installed when I boot from a Network Access disk.
icemanjc
August 19th, 2009, 03:07 PM
Running off of the battery is hardware and not software related. The PMU board controls this.

I looked around and I can't find any scsi hard drives that are seperate from the computer, your best bet is to buy a laptop and take the hard drive out of that, but it's kind of defeating the purpose.
#1 Rhapsody
August 19th, 2009, 03:38 PM
Running off of the battery is hardware and not software related. The PMU board controls this.

If that is the case then why can't I run from battery for a bit. I would think with 2 batteries at least 1 would hold even a small charge. I have used the battery reconditioning software several times and the batteries never work.
icemanjc
August 19th, 2009, 04:44 PM
If that is the case then why can't I run from battery for a bit. I would think with 2 batteries at least 1 would hold even a small charge. I have used the battery reconditioning software several times and the batteries never work.

That laptop is pretty old, back when I had a Duo 230 with about three batteries that did not hold a charge at all so it's probably the same in this situation as well. Also those batteries aren't as efficient at today's.

Reconditioning never made a difference for me either with any laptop that it worked on.