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LeoTheLion89
February 12th, 2012, 03:17 PM
i know they have USB to IDE and SATA converters such as this (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41J1cSgaELL.jpg) but do any of these exist in FireWire configuration?

DeltaMac
February 12th, 2012, 03:37 PM
Do you mean for adapting any hard drive to Firewire?
sure - here's a good one:
http://www.wiebetech.com/products/UltraDock_v5.php

that connects to just about anything, and wiebetech sells adapters for multiple other types of drives. Very good stuff...

LeoTheLion89
February 12th, 2012, 04:30 PM
Way too expencive!!!

LeoTheLion89
February 12th, 2012, 04:54 PM
Since getting a eMac is probably at some point gonna involve investing in a FireWire device of some kind i have some questions does the Power Supply provided with USB/FireWire enclosures need to be used when using FireWire? of course FireWire Drive for use on a mac would also require a FireWire Card for a Linux computer so my question is do PCI FireWire Cards also provide said 30V Macs do? I know that FireWire drives will power up and work just fine on an 12V firewire port. do they have FireWire keyboards or mice?

I also read that apart from the higer voltage and the faster speed FireWire is no different than USB so why does Apple push the need of FireWire ports when most people will not have a use for them.

Also i did read that all macs (even the PPC ones) can boot from USB Flash Drives aslong as the flash drive is formatted properly.

djackmac
February 12th, 2012, 06:15 PM
Since getting a eMac is probably at some point gonna involve investing in a FireWire device of some kind i have some questions does the Power Supply provided with USB/FireWire enclosures need to be used when using FireWire? of course FireWire Drive for use on a mac would also require a FireWire Card for a Linux computer so my question is do PCI FireWire Cards also provide said 30V Macs do? I know that FireWire drives will power up and work just fine on an 12V firewire port. do they have FireWire keyboards or mice?

I also read that apart from the higer voltage and the faster speed FireWire is no different than USB so why does Apple push the need of FireWire ports when most people will not have a use for them.

Also i did read that all macs (even the PPC ones) can boot from USB Flash Drives aslong as the flash drive is formatted properly.

The need for an external power source for a firewire enclosure depends on what size drive will be used. 3.5 inch drive, then yes external power will be needed as there is not enough bus power, 2.5 inch drive then no.

Firewire is preferred sometimes because it does not use the CPU. Therefor the processor won't slow down on data transfer rates because the processor is needed for other tasks. Firewire runs independently of the processor for maximum speeds and consistentcy.

No, PPC won't boot usb. Similarly there is no target disk mode through usb. You say you read that somewhere than it wasn't a reliable source.

LeoTheLion89
February 12th, 2012, 06:22 PM
if a 3.5 drive requires 12v and firewire gives 30 wouldnt bus power be enough?

DeltaMac
February 12th, 2012, 06:52 PM
I don't remember ever seeing a 3.5-inch Firewire drive that gets power from the bus.
Most 2.5-inch _are_ bus powered...
Likely just a difference in the current needed for the larger drives, so an enclosure would come with that power source, either through a wall-wart, or internal power supply that just plugs into your house power.

There's several choices on this page - http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/firewire/

LeoTheLion89
February 12th, 2012, 08:31 PM
what is the diff between 4 and 6 pin firewire?

DeltaMac
February 12th, 2012, 08:48 PM
The 4-pin has fewer pins (sorry, I couldn't resist....)

Here's a chart showing diff between 4 and 6-pin (also 9-pin)
You'll see the 4 pin does not pass the 30 volts DC.
http://pinouts.ru/Slots/ieee1394_pinout.shtml

Can we offer you any help with using a search engine?

LeoTheLion89
February 12th, 2012, 09:16 PM
i find it easier to just ask on here rather than search on google LOL

djackmac
February 12th, 2012, 09:25 PM
i find it easier to just ask on here rather than search on google LOL

Until we get tired of answering things that google will bring up 113,000 results for (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Difference+between+4+pin+6+pin+firwire).

DeltaMac
February 12th, 2012, 09:46 PM
I agree - so I more often deliberately use other search engines.

But then - doesn't typing your question in any search engine give you a quicker result than waiting for a response here?
Plus, it could be illogical to always assume your "buds" here will give you accurate answers... I heartily recommend that you search some of these answer for yourself. You may find that you will sometimes come up with different conclusions.

LeoTheLion89
February 13th, 2012, 08:41 AM
Does Leopard have iMove preinstalled like Panther did?

MisterMe
February 13th, 2012, 08:59 AM
Does Leopard have iMove preinstalled like Panther did?Now, you are being silly. This link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMovie) will tell you everything that you need to know about iMovie.

LeoTheLion89
February 13th, 2012, 10:06 AM
that dont help me much as i dont even know which version came with Panther or what came out at the time of Leo PPC

DeltaMac
February 13th, 2012, 01:36 PM
Panther came with iMovie (likely the last free version, which would be iMovie 3, I think.
Tiger did not include a version of iMovie.
According to this article https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-1707
Panther came with iLife, and whatever would be current for the iLife version when the installer was updated, which would be, at most, iMovie 5.
Tiger does not include iMovie, although that would have been bundled as iLife with new Macs at that time.
After OS X 10.4 (Tiger) was released, iLife is no longer included with the OS X install. Although iLife is bundled with any new Mac, it's no longer a part of the OS X install.

LeoTheLion89
February 13th, 2012, 02:09 PM
so research shows iLife 09 is the last supported on PPC?

MisterMe
February 13th, 2012, 04:09 PM
Here is the deal. iMovie ships with the computer, not with the OS. It shipped with computers that had Tiger preinstalled. It did not ship with the retail version of Tiger. If you want or need to upgrade iLife from the version that shipped with your computer, then you must hand over some duckets.

LeoTheLion89
February 13th, 2012, 08:54 PM
what is the LAST version of iLife and iWork to work on PPC Leo?

LeoTheLion89
February 13th, 2012, 08:58 PM
does Final Cut Pro require a serial key? what is the last version to work on PPC Leo?

MisterMe
February 13th, 2012, 09:22 PM
what is the LAST version of iLife and iWork to work on PPC Leo?You have already been given the answer to this question. Read it.

fryke
February 14th, 2012, 06:57 AM
Dear LeoTheLion89, please state your questions only after searching at least the forums, but better the web. Most questions you're asking have been answered ad infinitum on these boards and even more so on the web. If you look for "imovie" or "ilife" on these forums, you'll end up with a couple of threads where someone asks whether Mac OS XY (Panther, Tiger, Leopard etc.) comes with iLife application XY (iMovie, iPhoto etc.). A bit down, someone will answer that he or she's sure that it came with his/her Mac OS X version, and then still a bit further down, someone will explain that iLife apps were _NEVER_ part of the OS, but always part of the package that came with the computer, which included the OS and also iLife applications.

Your question about Final Cut seems strange to me. When you *BUY* Final Cut Pro, it'll either include a serial number somehwere in its materials, and then you'll enter that when asked – or it won't and then you won't need one (AppStore version only works with intel Macs running 10.6 or 10.7 and higher). When you *STEAL* Final Cut Pro, we won't want to answer your question. This forum is about legal Mac stuff.
If someone sells you a used version of software online and "forgets" to give you the serial, you'll be asked the serial at installation time and will get back to the seller. That easy.