You're not going to be able to extrapolate that result to the G3 though. Reason being that the G4 is going to be faster than a G3 at the same clockspeed, particularly when floating point is used. If Altivec is used, the G3 is completely blown out of the water.

It's going to be hard to test the performance of Tiger objectively, since you wouldn't know what the OS is doing under the hood.

Well 8A425 is out and i've just installed it. In 'About This Mac' it dosent says 'Prerelease' anymore. So i guess we are damn close a GM version.

Sounds good to me. I'll install it this afternoon... If I have the time, that is...

Did you update from 8A420 or an earlier build or clean install/archive install? ... I wonder when/if they'll "unpossible" this. IIRC updating to the final version was possible with Panther betas but not with Jaguar and earlier...

Did you update from 8A420 or an earlier build or clean install/archive install? ... I wonder when/if they'll "unpossible" this. IIRC updating to the final version was possible with Panther betas but not with Jaguar and earlier...

Hi Fryke,
I did an archive install over the previous 8A420 build. I could also have chosen upgrade -so this option is still there. I seems even more stabil to me (or maybe it's because i know it's a newer build) -very fast. Don't know what else have been done to system -but i guess optimizing, optimizing and optimizing :-)

Well 8A425 is out and i've just installed it. In 'About This Mac' it dosent says 'Prerelease' anymore. So i guess we are damn close a GM version.


Good news. Can't wait till GM!

i read somewhere that a colour-pdf was released with this build, and that it was probably the one that was going to be printed. if so, is there a frontpage to this "manual" included in th pdf? the reason i'm wondering this is that i am interested if they went with the steel "X" on black or if they choose the tiger fur.

Steel. Same for 8A420 and 8A425. I still wonder what the music in the 'welcome' movie is... Want to get a hold of that song... Anybody got an idea?

A few little notes. (These regard build 8A425.) Generally very good. Very responsive. I don't know if it's as fast as Panther, though...odd. Maybe it is, and my machine's just freakin' out. Maybe I need to clean out my user library, or something.

I do have some issues withe the Get Info panel in the Finder, specifically with the permissions sections. I was trying to mess with some permissions (more on why later), and once I chose a new user/group (my own), I could NOT change the read/write/read+write pop down menus. Also, once I clicked the lock, they switched back to the old user/group pair (system/admin), although I checked via the Terminal and they had been changed. Odd.

I was messing around with all this on my /sw directory (Fink) so that I could get it in the Privacy section of Spotlight, 'cause I don't want to see all those files in Spotlight ;-). This is a little more difficult than I thought, and I'm not sure about it, yet. First off, the privacy is global, for all users, and anyone can add a folder to the global preference given that they have _write_ access to the folder. (At least, that's been my experience.) Given this, I think there should have been two types of "privacy preferences." One that is something like "I don't want other users to see these files" and another that is "I myself don't care to search through these files everytime I use spotlight." That way I could add my personal files to the first, and add /sw to the second. That seems to make more sense to me.

That's it, so far.

A few little notes. (These regard build 8A425.) Generally very good. Very responsive. I don't know if it's as fast as Panther, though...odd. Maybe it is, and my machine's just freakin' out. Maybe I need to clean out my user library, or something.

I do have some issues withe the Get Info panel in the Finder, specifically with the permissions sections. I was trying to mess with some permissions (more on why later), and once I chose a new user/group (my own), I could NOT change the read/write/read+write pop down menus. Also, once I clicked the lock, they switched back to the old user/group pair (system/admin), although I checked via the Terminal and they had been changed. Odd.

I was messing around with all this on my /sw directory (Fink) so that I could get it in the Privacy section of Spotlight, 'cause I don't want to see all those files in Spotlight ;-). This is a little more difficult than I thought, and I'm not sure about it, yet. First off, the privacy is global, for all users, and anyone can add a folder to the global preference given that they have _write_ access to the folder. (At least, that's been my experience.) Given this, I think there should have been two types of "privacy preferences." One that is something like "I don't want other users to see these files" and another that is "I myself don't care to search through these files everytime I use spotlight." That way I could add my personal files to the first, and add /sw to the second. That seems to make more sense to me.

That's it, so far.

not as fast as panther? oh no! does anyone else think differntly? if tiger is slower than panther then i dont know if it is worth getting in my opinion.

Mike

That was a pretty sweeping broad generality. Generally speaking, it seems about the same, but there are some times where it seems slower. Terminal.app seems slower, to me, on redraw, maybe I need to change some settings. Things speed up after I've been booted for a while, maybe I'm used to having longer uptimes, or something.

From what I've been reading, this is just a "me" issue, I wouldn't worry about it. Although, I wouldn't be surprised if the spotlight stuff would have at least a tiny negative affect on disc IO, which in PB's, might be more easily felt.

I could be way off the mark, too. *shrug*

Terminal doesn't lag for me. Overall speed in Finder seems improved over Panther. Generally, I see it as a tad faster than Panther. Spotlight's impact is negligible for me. That's on a PB, too, btw... However: In the current build I suddenly can't print any longer (that's one of the test areas, too, I see) to my USB printer and somewhere between yesterday and today, some sound got lost. Gotta reboot. Here's to hoping the next build will solve these issues - plus the one getting on my nerves the most: Can't copy/paste, drag/drop between Adobe CS apps. Maybe they'll need an update...

Have these issues been reported in the ADC? If Apple doesn't know they're problems (such as the Get Info pane) they won't fix them, and they'll go GM with the prob.

Can anyone verify that it is out of sync with chowning them in Terminal?

As soon as I can log in to the bugreporter website (it seems to be unresponsive, now), I'll report the one about the Get Info pane.

It seems like, though, the longer my uptime is, the better the performance. Terminal isn't lagging for me anymore, everything seems more responsive, etc, etc.

Ha~! There's a new one!

I first thought you meant a new build, texanpenguin ;) ... But yeah, sounds strange really. But it could of course be that with longer uptime, Spotlight "knows" your computer (and your use of it) better and has to do less. Then basically it shouldn't be uptime, but installation time. A reboot shouldn't really matter in this case...

OK, this one's really weird, but I want to know if anyone else sees this behavior. When my cursor changes (ie, from the pointer to the little hand over a link in Safari), there are some odd graphic glitches, very localized around the cursor. It's pretty subtle, but it happens whenever the cursor changes, and it seems to be a slightly larger picture of the cursor. It's not a solid image, but kinda interpolated with what should be there.

For me, it's easiest to see it if I move the cursor over a link over and over again, quickly, or between different links (like the page links at the bottom of this page).

It also happens in Finder, for example, when moving the divider between the sidebar and the icon/list/column view.

Anyone else see this?

Nope, don't see this. What Mac/graphics card do you have? (It helps listing your Mac in your signature...)

Hrmm...good idea.

I have a PowerBook 12" 867 MHz. The graphics card is a GeForce4 MX.

(Goes to make a signature for himself).

fryke, have you got the build yet????? if so how is it???? i'm sure better then the last, oh anyone who's gotten 8A428 speak up!!!

Erh... Haven't heard of it yet besides here in your post.

Ah I see. AppleInsider... Well: If Apple has turned 8A428 into gold, then we'll see it on ADC soon enough, I guess. ;)

No signs of it in ADC, so I don't know...

Ok, I was wondering what was the first build number for tiger? The one that was first put out to developer's back in june 04. Lastly the current build 8A425 is about 2.29 GB, does it fully expand to 6GB's or does it reach around 7 to 8 GB's? Lastly, the ripple effect was in the earlier builds! I watched the keynoted from last june! WOW! I didn't realize it was there when dashboard was first introduced. Well thanks for your time.

Still 8a425 when I finally got around to downloading it last night.....

I do not have access to the build I was wandering if someone could tell me what version of postfix and fetchmail come with the latest build.

thanks

Tiger Server 8A420 has been seeded. Side question (the feature's disabled in _this_ build): Has anyone looked into 'Portable Home Folder'? What's it do exactly?

Tiger Server 8A420 has been seeded. Side question (the feature's disabled in _this_ build): Has anyone looked into 'Portable Home Folder'? What's it do exactly?

That is where you go when the wife finds out you spend too much time on the computer... ;)

Portable Home Directories

PowerBook and iBook users can now enjoy synchronized versions of home directory folders locally and on the network. When a user goes offline, her home directory goes with her, so she can continue to work just as she would back at the office. When she reconnects to the network, Mac OS X automatically syncs up selected content — such as documents, desktop items, music and pictures — in her local home directory with the one on the server.

From: http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/

What version of Tiger is GM? 8A425?

Steve knows. Some internal developers know. Maybe many people more. Some say 8A428 is GM - but that build was rumoured to be released internally. So no definite information until it arrives...

If I remember correctly, there was similar talk with Panther, and some people thought it just couldn't be that 7B85 would become GM - yet it did. (Which'd lead to suspecting 8A425 could be GM.)

So, can anyone figure out how to rename equation groups in Grapher? Whenever I make a new group, it gets named Untitled Group, but it doesn't let me select the name and change it. I've tried double-clicking, looking through the menus, the contextual menu, and the inspector. None of them work for me...

J2SE Preview 8 now on ADC

I found this interesting - For Mac OS X v10.4 "Tiger" Developer Seed build 8A425 and later.

Well: If they're expecting to _not_ seed another J2SE preview before April 29th, this wording makes total sense to me.

:o

I've been told that copying and pasting between Photoshop and Illustrator works fine in 8A425 by the way.

And vector art between InDesign and Illustrator? (That's what was bugging me, I think.) Create a box in InDesign. Anything, really. Try dragging it to an Illustrator file. Or copy and pasting it...

Works perfectly between Illustrator and inDesign - both dragging and copy/pasting. Sounds like you need to do a re-install.

Rather, I'll first trash prefs of the apps... We talking InDesign 3.0.2 and Illustrator 11.0.x, right? (I don't know the exact version numbers, but basically, I'm just using the newest CS versions available, CS 2 is not out yet anyway...)

Yeah, using the latest updated versions from CS suite

Hmm... I tried creating a new user in 8a425 to see whether that, too, would have that CS bug. Illustrator doesn't want to start there... I guess I'll really have to reinstall...

On another note: Can you calibrate your display in 8a425? My contrast seems a bit off right now, and 8a428 doesn't let me set it. Says something about "built-in profile not found"...

I'll clean install as soon as most of my week's work is done, I guess...

Hey! That's No Fair!! There's No 8a428 For Me?!!! :(

Psst. It'll be out soon enough. Btw.: Display calibration works fine again after a reboot for me.

When was 8A428 seeded?

Wasn't really. Or only for ADC Premier? ... Either way: It's said to be the GM version, however until someone unpacks a retail version Tiger, we simply don't know.

Have you noticed any obvious improvements in 8A428 over 8A425? Any less glitches?

It seems a little snappier on my PB, although that could be due to some optimisation or something. I really think I've gotta reinstall cleanly soon... However: I'd say 8a428 is ready for general consumption...

Do you think updating from 8A425 to 8A428 caused any new bugs on your mac Fryke?

Nope. Basically the only thing that still doesn't work right for me is the Adobe CS thing. I guess I'll just clean install Tiger and Adobe CS and check this first - before applying my user account backup.

That will definitely solve your CS problems. Your clipboard is probably messed up from an earlier beta.

How Stable is the 8A428, any problems or quirk's to it?

i would like to get Tiger as soon as it comes out, but yea... i might wait till 10.4.1, to get all the quirks out

I remember Panther. I thought it was pretty stable. Then the FW bug came out. I wasn't affected... So... Tiger feels very, very stable for me. I don't see any bugs (if I don't count Adobe CS, which is probably due to my installation). But of _course_ there could be things unforeseen.

i've just noticed to issues with my tiger latest build:

- the time cursor on quicktime windows doesn't update while watching a movie, i have to resize the window and it goes to the right place
- if u right-click on the dock and the u click on other places (not on dock items) the dock stays in the same position (with a larger icon)... sorry i can't explain in a better way, please look at the picture below

another strange behaviour: if u "CMD + I" on a group of files, finder shows information for every single file not the whole group, so how to know the size of a group of files for example (obviously without putting them in a folder and get folder infos)?

Cmd + Option + I? ;)

ohoh, thanks :)

Apple's seeded client version 8B9 to ADC.

- file sharing using AFP and SMB/CIFS network file services
- using DHCP in wireless networks
- user login when accessing LDAP and Active Directory servers
- core graphics including updated ATI and NVIDIA graphics drivers
- synchronization with .Mac
- Address Book, iCal, Font Book, Mail, and Preview applications
- Dashboard widgets: Address Book, Flight Tracker, Phone Book, and World Clock
- creating and burning disk images using Disk Utility and System Image Utility
- compatibility with third party applications and devices

I hear it's going to be released mid-May.

Is this going to appear as 10.4.1?

Yep. It's about 35 MB in size, currently. And from their DVD Studio announcement, we already know that it's going to be released in mid-May (since DVD Studio or Final Cut Studio, don't remember which, requires 10.4.1).

Apple just seeded 8B13 (10.4.1) to ADC Select members. ~36 MB. One known issue. http://story.ch/cgi-bin/macnews.cgi/2005/05/10#20050510_8b13

Yet another build: 8B15 is up on ADC. Dashboard's security issue is closed. Read more here: http://story.ch/cgi-bin/macnews.cgi/2005/05/12#20050512_8b15 ...

Looks like 10.4.1 has been released. 19.4mb is what I'm downloading now. Let's hope it contains some good fixes.

10.4.1 was 37MB for me... damn those "Delta" updaters!

I actually downloaded the self-contained installer from the website instead of using Software Update. Just a "peace of mind" kind of thing, I guess.

i was waiting 10.4.1 update to see if a dock issue would be corrected but it doesn't seem to be done: on my dock i have a shortcut to my system hard disk, if i click on it the menu shows me two files (mach.sym and an alias called mach) that should be invisible.

so my question is: is it only a my problem or other guys have the same issue?

see the attachment

EDIT: ah, and in a normal finder window, these files are invisible, so it's a truly dock problem...

build number?

build number?
8B15

oh, okay. :) strange enough, the seed notes for the build mention one known issue: "- Problems syncing Address Book with .Mac" - Guess that problem would then still be a known issue and be handled in another update or a separate update to .Mac and/or Address Book...

10.4.1 is out, do a software update

Safari also has some problems rendering tables, still. Check out http://www.edmunds.com/zipcode/new/index.html?tid=edmunds.g.home.header..1.* . Hit refresh and the page loads properly. This wasn't an issue with Safari versions prior to 2.0.

java_swt is taking up a lot of CPU time since this update when I run azereus. Maybe it's just this torrent but I don't think so. It's going from anywhere between 20-90%

I got the symbolic link to mach and the mach.sym files in my hard disk dock menu, as well.

Strange. Been like that ever since I installed Tiger.

Still didn't fix the bug with Mail not hiding if set as a login item. That's very annoying.

I got the symbolic link to mach and the mach.sym files in my hard disk dock menu, as well.

Strange. Been like that ever since I installed Tiger.

yup i'm getting em too. shan't post a pic - it'\s the same as yours...

Safari also has some problems rendering tables, still. Check out http://www.edmunds.com/zipcode/new/index.html?tid=edmunds.g.home.header..1.* . Hit refresh and the page loads properly. This wasn't an issue with Safari versions prior to 2.0.no problem with it, even without hitting refresh

Mac OS X 10.4.2 8C21 seeded. Got some info on http://story.ch/cgi-bin/macnews.cgi/2005/05/28#20050528_8c21 (macnews.net.tc).

Mac OS X 10.4.2 8C26 seeded. Some info on http://haligon.blogspot.com/2005/06/apple-seeds-mac-os-x-1042-8c26.html (macnews.net.tc).

Sounds interesting. Looking forward to it, hope it hits SoftwareUpdate soon.

Maybe this thread should have a remark of some sort in the title, that this is about the developer version. If one does not read from the first page on, this could be quite irritating.

Yes, that's right. Guess it was clear back when Tiger wasn't released. I'll change it now.

Lately, Apple has seeded 8C27 - http://haligon.blogspot.com/2005/06/apple-seeds-mac-os-x-1042-8c27.html - and 8C29: http://haligon.blogspot.com/2005/06/apple-seeds-mac-os-x-1042-8c29.html

10.4.2 8C32 has been seeded. Apple wrapping up development. Release expected within five days.

Btw.: The Tiger forum was dissolved into the System & Software forum and the Rumours forum. So if you have questions/problems/solutions for Tiger, they belong to the System & Software forum now. If you want to talk about future versions of Tiger, this is the place for it...

As we know that you already have and you can tell us what it have new features in Tiger. ;-)

I don't think there are really new features. More bugfixing... I've put something about the changes in 10.4.2 here: http://story.ch/cgi-bin/macnews.cgi/2005/05/28#20050528_8c21

Anything improve?

I couldn't really say. Haven't got much trouble with Tiger so far, so...

8C33 seeded, believed to be the release build. More: http://haligon.blogspot.com/2005/06/apple-seeds-mac-os-x-1042-8c33.html

Good morning Fryke,

What code name was assigned to the System 10.4.2 upgrader?

Thanks much,
Adonsa

Although Apple might internally give the dot-dot updates code names, I don't know the one of 10.4.2 (if there at all is one).

Is Quartz 2D Extreme turned on by default in 10.4.2?

Oh thank you big man upstairs..

I used to hate updates, but then I got a Mac and now I love them!

Nope. Well, it stayed active for me through updating, but if I open Quartz Debug and close it, it's deactivated again.

Hey fryke,
I've reading how dashboard has been slightly altered. Such as, when you want to delete a widget you no longer have to go to the library. Is this true? Instead you can somehow make a red x appear in the dashboard dock and delete this way. I'm really curious about this because it would be sweet to delete widgets directly from dashboard. Also, anything different about dashboard besides that?

Yes. When you hover over a Dashboard widget's icon in the DBdock, there's a small 'forbidden'-icon (bad choice?) in the name tag which you can click to remove the widget. This icon's only there for third party widgets, though, i.e. you can't remove Apple's widgets.

Also, when you download a widget with Safari, it isn't auto-installed anymore. Once you double-click a widget in the Finder, you get a dialogue box that lets you test-drive/install/cancel. The test-drive is a "safe place" to run the widgets. Basically, you simply get a few more steps until a malicious widget would do its stuff. Doesn't mean someone could still create a bad widget that tricks you into installing it, though - but it's still safer, since it doesn't get auto-installed.

seems to me that isntead of offering a safety barrier, shouldn't the encoding of dashboard be more inherently secure? this sounds like a work around cheap code. like all of windows?

seems to me that isntead of offering a safety barrier, shouldn't the encoding of dashboard be more inherently secure? this sounds like a work around cheap code. like all of windows?

Will this update disable the Widget Manager in the Preferences?

Widget Manager is something apple should have included, allows me to delete/add widgets with out going into the Widgets folder. Including Apple's own widgets.

When will this update be out?

Apple's just seeded 8C40 of 10.4.2. Update still not out... http://haligon.blogspot.com/2005/06/apple-seeds-mac-os-x-1042-8c40.html

thanks Fryke for the continued updates :)

Hey fryke, is it just me or is that site (Im guessing your site) that you keep linking to down? Everytime I follow it it brings up the top of the page and the title of the news strip- and the rest of the page is blank? In any case, thanks for the updates!

Hey fryke I was wondering if you could post a srceenshot of the widget manager. I would just like to see it. I'm really curious. I know it might be illegal but it shouldn't because Tiger is out. I just think it sounds really neat in how it looks. Thanks

The site's not down, Stridder. Something's strange with the CSS, I guess. The text follows a bit further down... :/
Screenshots of the widget manager...

The screens are in German, I guess. But you should get the idea. Oh... Parts of the manager are in English, it seems. ;) -> File bug report to Apple. :P

i'm seeing the same problem with your blogsite. it loads up the title, and the first sub-title... then nothing. the sidebar loads as well, but that's it.

Sweet thanks for the image postings. You rule fryke!

Just look _below_ ... I've changed the layout now. I have no idea what changed, really. The original (which I've tweaked) shows the same behaviour. Now only the first article looks a tad strange. Hmm... Too bad.

[Update: It's a "known issue" at blogger.com. They've updated their code (something about image upload) and that destroys some - but not all - layouts. They're working on it and might find workarounds for the templates. Guess I'll have to fix mine myself, then - unless they really fix things instead of finding workarounds.]

The site's not down, Stridder. Something's strange with the CSS, I guess. The text follows a bit further down... :/
Screenshots of the widget manager...

Wow, Apple's REALLY getting inconsistent with their UI. The new Widget Manager looks like some weird Swiss French Teletext system. It looks HORRIBLE. I might as well just hook up a crappy PAL TV to my G5 and wait for the weather to eventually scroll by every 10 minutes or so.

Maybe it would make more sense if I could read French; I'm assuming "Le temps par telephone" means "disable all widgets", or something like that?

You know, the Finder/Dock was a bad start. Brushed metal was bad enough. The new UI inconsistencies in Tiger were a stretch, and the complete diversion from their UI rules with their widgets is one thing, but this is horrible. I, for one, won't be installing the 10.4.2 update.

Erh... That Swiss Teletext thingie is a Swiss Teletext widget, of course.

Erh... That Swiss Teletext thingie is a Swiss Teletext widget, of course.

Yes. I don't really think that "Le temps par telephone" means "disable all widgets".

=)

So it was all irony? Or not all of it? What should we make of your post? I mean: I personally think Apple _did_ wrong with many of the UI inconsistency that led to, finally, Tiger. But what _do_ you think about the widget manager? I think it fits the Dashboard UI at least...

brilliant. got the fryke almost completely bowled out with confusion.

i laughed

Well, yeah. I didn't expect the absurd in this thread.

it gets everywhere. a draft excluder helps to stop the spread of it

So it was all irony?

"Spoof", maybe? I dunno. After your screenshot I couldn't resist. (come on, it really does look like you were saying the widget was the manager. Yes, we can barely see the translucent window, but still =)

I started to mention plans to go to www.petitiononline.com and start a campaign against it but thought that might be overboard...

8C44 seeded. Some changes in Airport networking, Dashboard...

have they fixed the following weird glitch in spotlight (or maybe it is due to the need to give fast searchfeedback):
in 10.4.1 when i search for Haj (that means shark) i get a lot of pictures on my computer, but i dont get the pictures titled Brunhaj (brown shark). I get them when i search for Brun or Brunhaj. very hard for you to know, fryke, if you dont have a lot of sharkpictures on your computer :) but i guess my qustion is: is spotlight improved?

p.s i dont even care for sharks that much.

I think Spotlight's interface isn't a focus in 10.4.2...

pity. they should focus more on the fun stuff and less on the underlying components that dont have shiny buttons. ;)

Since we don't have it. Could you possibly tell us how 8c44 performs overall, and does this builds seem to be getting better or creating new problems.

I think it's awesome how Apple is just holding this one back every time it finds something new to fix.

God I can't wait to get this update...

The past three builds have been running great here. I don't see any problems in 8C44 (but then, you know, I can't test a G5's SuperDrive since I don't have any etc.) and I think it's just about as finished as can get. I think we'll later say that 10.4.2 was a really good update in the Tiger era (at least I hope so...). I guess Apple wants to convince every last one of the critics that Tiger is "better than Panther" now. (But for me, too, there's still some way to go with Spotlight...)

Fryke... Any word yet when 10.4.2 will be released yet.. lol... anything any news... as to what they are working on. Memory? Features, bugs? etc.

Yeah... I'm quite curious too. We haven't heard much about 10.4.2 for some time now. I was wondering when it will be released too.

Nothing to say, really...

i'm waiting this release in order to check if there is any firmware update for my superdrive... i invite you to read this thread on my annoying problem:

http://discussions.info.apple.com/webx?128@780.dAAEa4FoWVY.0@.68b27b7c

DVD drive firmware patches are not usually coupled with OS updates.

DVD drive firmware patches are not usually coupled with OS updates.
so i must be very angry with apple :mad:

Not really. I only said it wouldn't be part of 10.4.2 AFAIK. But a) that could have changed now and they _would_ do that or b) maybe they'll release a separate firmware update for your drive soon, anyway. So: No reason to be angry with Apple, right? :)

No reason to be angry with Apple, right? :)
eheh, i hope fryke
i'll be angry when they'll tell me that i have to keep my drive as now
but i'll hope they solve the question...

Improved Widget memory management and improvements to iChat video conferencing apparently.
Havent had a chance to try it yet.

Woohoo. Finally better memory management for the widgets. :) I'll try it in a couple minutes...

So far, so good. I can't test the video chat thingie, but the Dashboard seems fine. Then again, problems usually arise only after a few hours of use, so I'll return and add about it, then...

Fryke Does this mean its out yet for release to public?

No. We'll make that clear by a thread called "Mac OS X 10.4.2 released in Software Update" or similar. :) ... This thread is for news/info about the further development of Tiger.

*cough*8C46*cough* ;) :D

Oh, guess I forgot the thread title... Right on it. Now. Late. Sorry. :)

Wow, apple is really putting in some quaility work on this update in Tiger. Which is VERY cool with me. A widget manager, improved core image(ripple effect), better dashboard use of memory etc. Very impressed kudos to apple. I just looked back to find out that build 8C21 was the first 10.4.2 build!! That was back on May 28th. Fryke said it wouldn't be expteced till mid-june at the latest. Now it's July and still making beta builds. But soon.......

Improved ripple effect? Where'd you read that? It looks just the same to me. It still isn't instant on my PowerBook when called the first time (subsequent calls are fine, though)... And until _then_, I consider the effect _very_ useless, since I don't usually call up two or three new widgets at a time, rather I need _one_ I didn't have open previously, and thus the effect is a nuisance at best...

how about the iPhoto? i have not been able to use iphoto for over a month because of the auto-enhance-photos-bug.
agree on the ripple effect. on my girlfriends ibook dashboard is instant while i have to suffer a lagging water effect. anybody with a G5? is it always instant there?

yup. completly instant. sorry guys. can't you hack the terminal to turn the effect off?

however, bringing the dashboard out isnt instant. it sucks.

bringing dashboard out is instant on my powerbook as long as i have free memory (my guess is that the system saves that action in the memory as long as it can to keep it smooth). i have not restarted my computer since 10.4.1 came so i dont know how long it takes the first time around.

sorry, i meant, the time it takes to load up all the widget data after you hit F12 for the first time in a while, although i found that keeping the dashbard icon in the dock helps (for some reason) to keep the times down

how about the iPhoto? i have not been able to use iphoto for over a month because of the auto-enhance-photos-bug.

That was fixed in a previous 10.4.2 seed.

Matt

I have no problems with the water effect. Comes up instantly, even if I have a lot of programs open. That may however be related to a G5 1.8 Gig and 1 GB RAM... :D

10.4.2 is out now..

they have not fixed the iphoto-bug! :(

they have not fixed the iphoto-bug! :(

You're right, but I'm adamant it was in one of the seed notes for 10.4.2. Can anyone confirm or am I dreaming?

Matt

Ok the iPhoto 5.0.3 update claims to fix the problem, but there is still a definite change...

Matt

It was in the release notes of one build. You're not dreaming.

seems to work fine for me... 10.4.2. :)

maybe they split it (the iphoto 5.0.3 and 10.4.2) cuz they found other bugs that affected 10.3 users also. now it is fixed anyway and i am happy. iphoto starts faster also with 8000 pictures.

Matt: Do you mean the bug's _not_ fixed, or that another/new problem arises with 10.4.2 and iPhoto 5.0.3?

iPhoto 5.0.4 now available via Software Update

Doesn't mention that particular bug, though... Does it _fix_ it?

it was fixed in 5.0.3.
but why is this update so large. seem such a small thing to fix (in my book every bugfix that _doesn't_ include new graphics should be minor. i mean, it just text.)

I guess it actually replaces the old app, doesn't patch it. Which means the whole app has to be downloaded in compressed form. (It's about 150 MB in size, the app, so that's possible...)

Bit late... Apple's seeded 10.4.3 8F8. ~76 MB combo updater. Guess Apple will take some time until that will be released, though...

fryke, your getting lazy, you never changed the Build name in Thread post...

Any news yet on whether or not Q2DE is turned on by default in 10.4.3?

I'm sick of waiting for that :P.

I haven't installed this first build of 10.4.3. I usually wait for the second or third... But Apple hasn't seeded any builds after 8F8, AFAIK. What I can say is that Q2DE wasn't talked about specifically in the seed notes. So I guess not...

That's quite a slow development cycle (perhaps they're waiting for more 10.4.2 bugs to squash at the same time).

I'm surprised (especially with the ridiculous amount of developer seeds for .2)