You gotta be kidding

[techoncall]

Teaching,
who cares about teaching the operating system,it's all about the bottom line,i don't know what graphics art house you work for,but our's cares about two things,productivity and money$$$$$$$

as i said earlier in the post ,i can't get the artisits to choose the printer properly in the chooser,as well as 100 other things that should be required of a graphic artist,fortunately a artist is a artist and not a technician.

osx is good for me a tech head,but it must be modified to be more mac like,or apple will miss its numbers like they did this quarter.

By the way,what brain surgeon designed the cube,have you tried opening this thing,rubik would have been proud!!!

[zpincus]

Techoncall,

PLEASE do tell us what it is precisely you see as stumbling blocks for people to learn OS X. I think everyone on this thread is interested in what it is that makes it a "a confusing jumble of clustering" anyway?

As I posted earlier, I find that the new os has a remarkably short learning curve. (By the way, I think it's great that you mention that explaining how to select printer in the chooser is a time consuming process for you now. If you try to use OS X , you will notice that there is no more chooser in OS X and you select the printer right when you want to print -- now how's that for easier to understand and intuitive? And there are many other examples of these little rough edges in previous os's being sanded down in X.)


But chooser aside, I still can't see what the artists ( or any other true neophytes, who the system seems designed to accomodate) will get confused about. The only thing that I can see as truly confusing is the multiple user filesystem, but
a) we can expect to be cleaned up and optionally totally hidden in the final release
and b) is pretty well hidden already if you just tell people to stash their stuff in the folder that is called "home" and you get to that by clicking on a big button. How hard is that to remember? Seems way easier to remember than how to use the chooser.

So technocall, how 'bout some specifics? I'm not asking you so we can try to demolish your points with geek-fu, but I am really interested in knowing what you think the major hang ups to learning the new OS within a couple of days are, especially for graphic artists, because they make up such an important market for macs.

zach

PS. I am starting to wonder about your tech credibility, though, techoncall. I went over to the campus bookstore to play with a G4 cube and I think I was able to figure out how to open it in fifteen seconds. It would have been less had I looked at the colorful directions that make it painfully obvious. So, pray tell, what was your problem with that one?

[Edited by zpincus on 12-07-2000 at 01:35 PM]

[techoncall]

To zpincus,
get a life

[scruffy]

OK techoncall, zpincus asks you to clarify your points, because you must admit the original posting was a bit unclear. He explains carefully that he wants to understand your point of view, not tear it down. At which point, challenged to clearly, rationally outline a reasoned opinion, you use the time honoured argument "get a life".

At this point it becomes fairly obvious that you haven't actually got a point to make, you were merely posting in order to have a venue to rant against the artists you have to deal with.

Do you normally admin an NT network or something? I can see how that might turn you into an embittered troll who is angry when he sees people working creatively to make things of beauty...

[zpincus]

scruffy -- thanks. well put.

techoncall -- sorry, i really didn't mean to sound combative, especially about the cube deal. my bad.
if you care to share your specific complaints, i would still be glad to hear them.

zach
(ps. i seem to be on a posting rampage tonight. sorry for all the words on all the threads. i had a lot of time to think while stuck in the seattle airport for upwards of 24h.)

[ITz The MaN]

Hey ppl, you all fail to remember one BIG thing: this is Mac OS X *Beta*. And c'mon ppl, this is apple we are talking about, this system will be easy as pie when it finaly comes out (some time is february i think). This beta was reliced months ago, and im sure apple has made many of their major fixes by now. I recomend all of u just sit back and chill.
Oh, and techoncall, apple is not forcing you to upgrade to os x. If it is so much of a burden for you, just dont upgrade!

[zpincus]

ITz -- The problem is that it is people like techoncall, who control networks for graphics houses and their ilk, are in no small part going to make or break OS X 1.0.

I also think that it is people like techoncall who will most benefit from OS X. No crashes = less lost work = more $$. Better net admin tools are also a real boon to people managing a network. An easy OS should (after the learning curve) be more intuitive and lead to less "How do I print" type questions.

So that is why I am so interested in his specific comments, and why I truly hope it isn't just the knee-jerk "I don't like aqua" reaction like we've seen so many times before. What people like techoncall think matters, a lot, and I would really like to hear it.

That said, Apple realizes the power of this knee jerk, and I believe Jobs has been quoted as saying that X 1.0 will have features to make it behave (and look? I hope not...) more like OS 9.

Zach

[catfish]

I do technical support over the phone, and I deal with people who have never really owned a computer before. You'd be surprised how much they DON"T want to know. All they care is point me to this and that, teach me just this one thing, and ONLY this one thing. techoncall has completely different motives to use the OS. I have no concerns for now... I will trust Apple, and I was impressed with the new style of work flow after I used it a short while.