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Old June 3rd, 2006, 11:57 PM
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It alarms insiders, too.

But it's difficult to get a real idea of the American mindset, for both insiders and outsiders. America is a huge country. I live in New York, an overwhelmingly liberal state. A lot of what other countries see of America is as foreign to me as it is to them.

Honestly, I don't think this "American image" is really accurate in any part of America. The media hardly gives us fair representation. Most people on TV are childish fanatics (whichever side they happen to be on) — axe-grinders who are perfectly happy to abandon all rational thought and logic as long as it sounds good for a few seconds at a time.

Conservatives complain about the "liberal media". Liberals complain about the "conservative media". They both exist, and they're both equally disgraceful.


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Sean Penn paid $56,000 to publish an open letter to Bush on a nearly full page in the Washington Post:

"Many of your actions to date and those proposed seem to violate every defining principle of this country over which you preside: intolerance of debate... marginalisation of your critics, the promoting of fear through unsubstantiated rhetoric, manipulation of a quick comfort media, and the position of your administration's deconstruction of civil liberties all contradict the very core of the patriotism you claim," he wrote.


I agree totally with his opinion.
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No, I do not support George W. Bush (or the current Congress for that matter), for many reasons... lack of intellect, established history of making poor judgements or allowing important issues to lapse causing even larger problems, ignoring domestic affairs in favor of foreign policy, medicare reform (elderly people CANNOT understand all of the different insurance plans), and elimination of some vital government services. Federal Student Loans are fewer and farther between than they used to be, and at higher interest rates, making it more difficult for an average American to attain higher education - seems he (and the Republican Party) want to keep people ignorant and uneducated so that they can flip burgers, push mobile phones, or work in the service sector at Best Buy, Walmart, and K-mart, while RENTING apartments instead of owning a HOME. America is more divided now than in the last 50 years. This country is headed in the wrong direction. If you disagree with me, then I encourage you to research the bills W has signed into law, and ask yourself 'are these bills/laws helping PEOPLE or big business?'

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yes I support President Bush and I did vote for him both times. and bbloke it not Bush Jr. Yes alot of american do not like coments form people outside the us when they take a poke at us or our President, somw time that includes me, and other times depending the comments I just tell myself they don't got a clue.
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But it's difficult to get a real idea of the American mindset, for both insiders and outsiders. America is a huge country. I live in New York, an overwhelmingly liberal state. A lot of what other countries see of America is as foreign to me as it is to them.

I use to live in the Corning area and went to school in Rochester. Unless thing drastically changed in the largest part of New York State (most of Upstate) then you think Long Island and NYC are the only part of New York State! If you ever went to one of Hillary's speeches Upstate you downstate snobs would be REALLY surprised her CONSERVATIVE sounding speeches. Besides those in Albany, Rochester downtown or Buffalo downtown most of Upstate New York is most definitely not Liberal.
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and bbloke it not Bush Jr.
Errrrrmmm, yesssss, that's why I wrote:

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"No, I'm not sure that atheists should be considered citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."

-George Bush (Senior)
and not "George W. Bush" or "George Bush Jr."

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I just tell myself they don't got a clue
That will be the case for some of Bush's detractors, but, likewise, some of Bush's supporters will be equally clueless. So, this sort of comment can apply to anyone from any political wing. One needs to be quite careful about being too dismissive, though, as plenty of people can cite good reasons, backed up with factual evidence, why they have a strong dislike of Bush. For anyone, on either side, to simply dismiss others as clueless and ignore what they have to say would be a case of sticking one's head in the sand.
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Yes, A lot of Upper New York State is not Liberal (but the State voted against G. W. Bush in each presidential election all the same) and yes Hillary is a wimp on many issues....especially concerning Iraq. However, my brother who has a house in Philmont, NY (up the Hudson) and not exactly a "Liberal" area sent me this:
Somebody or some group paid for space on a huge billboard just out of town. It read: "Conservatives are like dead fish. They flow with the stream."
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I have to echo bbloke's comment some posts back about not equating the @$$hole at the helm with your average US citizen. It is possible to dislike George W. Bush and yet have nothing at all against a person just because he was born in the USA.

I think that it is those American who "have got God" that are the problem (aka the Neo-Conservative Religious Right), just as it is with those in the Middle East who claim that their violent actions are carried out in the name of Islam.

DOWN with religious extremisim! They're so busy condemmning anyone and anything that doesn't conform with their own blinkered interpretations of their particular holy book that they forget the fundamental message of ALL holy books:

Love your fellow human beings and treat them well!
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