badmouthing our president

[binaryDigit]

Originally posted by habilis
... Are you going be bitter if there is no new terror attacks? Are you going to be bitter when the Iraqi economy rebounds and the people are free again with no starving children? And what about when we leave Iraq better then we found it, like Afganistan, ... And we leave no occupying force behind (and we won't).

I think that expecting no more terror attacks is a bit unrealistic isn't it? AAMOF we may likely see an increase as any action against Iraq, no matter how "justified" will be viewed in a negative light by most of the Muslim world. And while an action against Iraq may prevent and major attacks from occuring, it certainly can not stop smaller ones.

And no starving children? We have starving children here in the US that we have a hard time dealing with. Again, unrealistic. Things should be better overall though.

And finally, no peace keeping force. Not really a peace keeping force issue, but the question becomes how do we leave the govt when we leave. The biggest problems in all these mucking about with foreign govts is trying to make sure you leave something that is better than what was there. And not better for a year or two, but better long term. That will be the key to a "successful" mission in the long run. Being able to pull out your peace keepers quickly is all fine and dandy, but lets hope they have a clear idea for how to handle things from that point on.

I know you just brought some of them up as generalities, but since you did bring them up, I felt compelled to respond

[evildan]

habilis, your point of view really amazes me. You speak as if war is a good thing.

Happy, Positive, Upbeat, full of Hope.

I'm sorry but war is none of these things. You speak as if going to war is going to mean an automatic victory, and acceptance by the people of Iraq, an increase in the economy, the end of starvation in Iraq, and the undisputed respect of the entire world. Also your beliefs that the war will be quick (2 weeks I believe you said), painless and provide all of these added benefits.

As if war is this great thing. habilis, people are going to die. And for what? So we can have a better economy? Does that sound logical?

No thanks, I'll pay the $.50/gal more in gas if it prevents the death of even one more American.

That's what were talking about, an economy, not lives, but dollars and cents.

And one more thing on this one, war does NOT automatically mean a growing economy. The Gulf War did not help the economy. The last war to help the economy was World War II. Vietnam started to help the economy, but I believe -- if memory serves me -- because it dragged on for so long it became more of a burden to the economy then anything else.

The reason war doesn't translate into a proportional increase in the economy is because there are less "working class" people in America. (The population that sees the most increase in jobs during war time).

World War II produced more jobs, because the people who had to leave the country (mostly men) left vacant jobs for women and men that could not serve. Those jobs (mainly factory jobs), were prominent also because the government needed military hardware produced to aide in the war effort.

Sadly some of those jobs were left vacant due to high casualties.

Modern warfare is fought differently. Less typically less ground-troop movement, more missiles and smart bombs, etc. The effects of war are less prominent at the point of war. Impact of war is no longer defined as deaths. With the advent of chemical warfare, even our general population is at risk to exposure.

Don't be so quick to believe the propaganda. Until the war happens, we won't know the effect is will have on Amercia and the rest of the world.

[kanecorp]

ignorant people like to insult bush. sad but true.

[toast]

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This would be a direct answer to your insult directed against many people of this board.

The truth is, Bush's policies may lead to a socio-ecnomical disaster very soon. This could be discussed here, if you minded calming down and stop yelling Frenchmen and anti-war people are either anti-semitics or hippies.

[binaryDigit]

Originally posted by toast
It seems ignorant people also like to support him, in some cases.

This would be a direct answer to your insult directed against many people of this board.

Well he did say "ignorant people like to insult bush". Emphassis on insult, which is not the same as saying that "ignorant people like to criticize/disagree with bush". A small but important difference. Makes the difference between meaning "anyone who would stoop to personal insults is ignorant" vs "anyone who disagrees with bush is ignorant".

toast, you can help keep this whole thread from degenerating like the other one as well. Many of the same things that I said to kanecorp apply to you as well. If you want to have an intelligent discourse, then keep your remarks intelligent, regardless of how non intelligent you think the other posts may be. (man, I feel like my 2nd grade teacher)

[edX]

kanecorp, you have been warned about attacking others. one more insult to anyone and you're thru with this discussion and all others on this site. understand?

btw - i am neither ignorant nor a hippie.

[toast]

BinaryDigit, you may feel like your 2nd grade teacher, you're right. I've taken note of your post, believe me. Anyway, I wasn't planning to answer more flame comments after this last one.

[kanecorp]

Originally posted by edX
kanecorp, you have been warned about attacking others. one more insult to anyone and you're thru with this discussion and all others on this site. understand?

btw - i am neither ignorant nor a hippie.

oh no! A hippie threatening me...doesn't that go against what you believe in...
And how dare i get upset when my leader is unsulted.