badmouthing our president

[RacerX]

by habilis:
Look, I know you guys don't hate the U.S. so much, it's conservatives and their seeing of black and white, right and wrong, good and evil, moral and immoral that you hate. I know what side I want to be on... Happy, Positive, Upbeat, full of Hope.

Would you please re-read your last few posts in this thread. I'm sorry but you are not someone I would classify as Happy... or Positive... or Upbeat... or even full of Hope.

In fact if we apply a strict black and white view of what you have said here, you tend to fall on the wrong, evil, and immoral side on this basic issue of human kindness.

I would really rather think of you as a relatively good person, but the ethics which you are displaying paint quite a different picture.

[mdnky]

Originally posted by doemel
How much non-American history is actually taught in American schools?

In high school I took more than most for History, only 1 year was US History (AP my Sophmore year). World Civ as a Freshman, Asian/Middle Eastern Studies as a Junior, and European History AP my Senior year.

The requirements when I was in HS was 2 credits, World Civ being one.

Me personally, I liked History and it was an easy subject.

[Ugg]

Has anyone ever even attempted such a thing? Laying down their life to prevent a peace protest? Personally, I just can't see it happening but if it did, I think the peace protesters would find a way to protect you, because isn't that the whole point, Habilis, to prevent needless death?

[Ugg]

Michael Moore, director of Bowling for Columbine and author of Stupid White Men, wrote a letter to GW yesterday. You can find it here

I don't like the guy myself, but he has some good things to say.

[edX]

i'm pretty sure nobody has ever been killed while peacefully protesting a peace protest. unfortunately peace protesters themselves seem to be pretty easy game. like fishing at the trout farm. line 'em up and either beat them down or shoot them. "Four dead in O-hi-O".

[Ugg]

Habilis, you say that we should call the terrorists homicide bombers and I agree with you. The perpetrators of crimes against humanity should be labeled for what they are. Cold-blooded killers. Just because they are fundamentalist religious nuts who feel that the way to heaven is paved with the dead bodies of the infidel..... Who was I talking about???? Oh, that's right, the terrorists, or, was this thread about the president of the United States? Hmmmmmm................

So, your truth in advertising only works with the bad guys. Anybody who stands up for the native people of Israel is immediately branded a phreakin idiot, it's too bad that your vision is so myopic.

[toast]

CNN/FOX debate

Well, the political side didn't matter much for me, as I needed the Bush intervention and not its commentaries, which I could have on French radios.
It is obvious that, from my European point of view, I share doemel's views: 99% American media lean right. Very rarely extreme-right, but right, definitely.
What an American can call 'left-wing' is more 'center-right' here, studies of American political cleavages shows it well (I'm thinking of Herbert Kitschelt's work, for those interested).

Ugg

You've got a coll new signature ! There is an accent on the 'a' however: "Ne perdez pas votre vie à la gagner."
I've got a new signature too .

Michael Moore

I just read Moore's letter. As usual, the whole is written in moron-style, but contains undeniable elements of truth. He should have come to this forum and read this thread. I'm sure he would not have called pro-war people "passionate people" but "American version of Israeli hawks".

Hawks

Because yes ! The minority (statiscally speaking, that's a minority, yes) of pro-war people is acting like Israeli extreme-right supporters and leaders. First it's a question of national security, then it ends up with bomb shells. What a desperate situation: Sharon and Bush have the same IQ and got the same idea: 'bomb them, or they will bomb us'. This criminal logic has proven wrong in Israel since 1946, but some White House administratives still think it can work with them. What a pity.

Osama speech ?

There's nothing rational to add, anyway, war is declared, I may quote books and studies, forget it: the USA will be throwing bombs on Iraq soon ! Now I'm just waiting for Bin Laden's intervention from his cave: "Hello guys, thanks for feeding my troops with enough hatred and resentment over you. Could you send bigger bombs on children please ? My pilots are losing their patience you know." I just hope I don't have to wait for 2:00AM to hear his speech .

George Walker

After all, this thread is about him. Now he doesn't need to be badmouthed. He's entered the Great Hall of Fame of Bloodthirsty Chiefs of States. Be glad you did not [irony]really[/irony] elected, so you can still complain and say you didn't vote for him...

Signature

Let the body bags' dance begin. Let the USA people buy gas masks, open their doors with a handgun in left hand, take the plane with a parachute, open their letters with anthrax-proof suits and walk in the streets with a Geiger counter just to be sure. This war is a continuation of a psycho the American people already live in; and this psycho is the beginning of the end.

Epitath

No empire can hold on exclusive use of force, said Erri de Luca (Italian writer). Without justice, and esp. international justice, times of hatred and nonsense action is inaugurated. This war over Iraq responds to nothing, it is an act of violence of the strongest on the weakest. By this attack, Western countries are losing the right to defend themselves against those who will soon take their revenge. We are weaker than what stats and presidents say. We are immensely weak. We should take this omnipotency mask off our face.
Or assume its consequences. Not in my name.

[evildan]

LOL... habilis, I just figured out who you are! Why don't you use your real screen name?