Former VP Al Gore on Apple board of directors

[RacerX]

Originally posted by serpicolugnut
I'm supposing you have proof of this allegation? Other than posts from Black Helicopter conspiracy theorists? If not, then please stop dispensing your drive by attacks.

I suggest you ask Dick about it. Of course he won't deny that it happened, only that he didn't know about the transactions (with both Iraq and Iran).

Strange, I guess that would answer my earlier question as to why Haliburton was given the contracts to restore oil production in Iraq without those contracts being bid on first. Who would be better to repair the Iraqi oil equipment than the people who sold it to them.



I seem to recall I asked you about proof of your allegations about Gore, your answer was: a Google search. What I ask for was names which you have yet to provide.

My attacks are actually just the facts (okay, I made the link between Haliburton's current contracts with the US to rebuild Iraqi oil fields and the equipment sales when Cheney was CEO, but I don't think that was very far fetched).

[serpicolugnut]

I seem to recall I asked you about proof of your allegations about Gore, your answer was: a Google search. What I ask for was names which you have yet to provide.

I actually provided a link to an actual article. I stated that if you wanted more, you could do a google search for them. Here it is again. You'll have to scroll a little to get to the blurb.
http://www2.uiuc.edu/ro/observer/arc...e2/obiter.html

I suggest you ask Dick about it. Of course he won't deny that it happened, only that he didn't know about the transactions (with both Iraq and Iran).

I'll be sure to do that next time I see him. You know, all of us greedy, evil conservatives get together at least once a week plotting ways we can rape the environment and steal from poor people.

Didn't someone already talk to you about throwing the term Communist around? Funny how through out all this I have yet to try and paint you in such a way. Maybe you just aren't up to the debate.

What, the word "communist" is a four letter word now? Read the post, I didn't call you a communist, I simply stated the last time I heard that same argument, it was from a person (a communist, I presume) working at the booth for the American Communist Party. Now, just because you and he have the same point of view, that doesn't make both of you communists. Nor did I say you were, so get off your "McCarthy" attacks.

I'm simply taking your arguments and labelling them what they are. Anti-capitalist. Whether or not you are arguing them for the sake of getting the last word in or if you really truly feel that capitalism is evil is of no relevance to me.

You still didn't answer any of my questions posed about Friends, Tom Glavine or Steve Jobs. The fact that Tony Gwynn (of course I've heard of him) chose to play his entire career in SD for less money than what he could have received is irrelevent. It worked for him, and that's great. That doesn't mean that when another player decides to test the free market and find that his services will be greatly rewarded in another city that he's greedy. If a team can increase revenues in tickets, in TV advertisements and merchandising through the addition of one player, than whatever they feel is fair to pay him is pefectly alright.

Man, I sense a lot of jealousy and resentment in you over what other people make. It's none of your business what other people make and whether or not they deserve it. Who are you to judge? So long as they make their money legally, it should make no difference to you. Maybe if you paid more attention to your career and less on successful people who get paid large sums of money to do stuff you deem unworthy, you might actually start to get ahead in this world.

Of course, it is easier to sit back and blame everybody else because they don't deserve their fortune, right? What a dim view of life.

BTW - Green party, right?

[RacerX]

Originally posted by serpicolugnut
...I didn't call you a communist...

... Nor did I say you were, so get off your "McCarthy" attacks.

Actually you did call me a Communist, is your memory that short?

I actually provided a link to an actual article.

Okay, there is a difference between a blog and an article. That is not a source. Would you try harder this time? An actual source of names please.

...evil conservatives, ...capitalism is evil, ..."evil rich people", ...evil, ...evil, ...evil.

Wow, there is a lot of evil in your life. You talk about it constantly. If you weren't an atheist I would swear you were a Bible thumping Christian. Evil this and evil that, no wonder you hate the facts, Cheney and Bush having anything less than the highest moral values must make them evil in your world.

Sorry, but in the real world, we deal with shades of gray. I don't thing that Bush is all bad, or Cheney for that matter. I question some of their actions and the motivations behind them, but I would never assign the term evil to anyone unless I was absolutely sure that they had only their own self interest at heart.

So Cheney likes to make money. Fine. He also likes to make war. Fine, but strange... maybe even sick, but not evil. Cheney and many other of this administration have been planning this war for a great many years. It is not that Iraq was a threat as much as Iraq was a good testing ground for their philosophy of how America should rule the world.

Let me guess, you want proof of that too. Fine, this site should really be your home page: The Project for the New American Century.

I'm sure you love that site, and Cheney, Bennett, Quayle, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and even Jeb Bush are some of the founding members. Their ideas predate September 11, 2001, so they aren't reacting to anything. They feel the US should use it's power to control the world for US interests. They feel the US should be able to move throughout the world without having to answer to anyone else for their actions.

Pretty scary stuff... you'll love it I'm sure.

You still didn't answer any of my questions posed about Friends, Tom Glavine or Steve Jobs.

I answered fully and completely. If it wasn't the answer you wanted, that is not my concern.

Man, I sense a lot of jealousy and resentment in you over what other people make. It's none of your business what other people make and whether or not they deserve it. Who are you to judge? So long as they make their money legally, it should make no difference to you. Maybe if you paid more attention to your career and less on successful people who get paid large sums of money to do stuff you deem unworthy, you might actually start to get ahead in this world.

Not at all. What you are sensing may be your own jealousy (as you were the one who brought up those people, some of whom I didn't even know what they made until you produced it for us.

Why did you produce those figures here? It's none of your business what other people make and whether or not they deserve it. Who are you to judge or even bring up what they make?

And who are you to bring up these things and act like I was the one who brought them up? That makes for a pretty bad argument, don't you think?

I make as much as I want. Again it should be noted that you are the only one who has shared his income. You are the only one to say he isn't making enough. You are the one who asked me for a hand out. Compared to you I must be the wealthiest man alive as I live happily within my means.

Please work on these arguments of yours. They are getting quite sad.

BTW, I'm still registered as a Republican, have been since 1986.

[serpicolugnut]

BTW, I'm still registered as a Republican, have been since 1986

From the utter confused statements you make, that doesn't surprise me in the least.

[serpicolugnut]

From Newsweek.com (now archieved requiring registration and payment to view entire article, if you are interested)...

October 3, 2001
Newsweek_- Living Politics- Gore Loyalists are Relieved That Bush is the Man by Howard Fineman

It's not merely that they want to rally 'round our leader - though they do. It's not that they think their man wasn't up to the job - they think he was. But with almost audible sighs of relief, some top people who worked for Al Gore privately tell me they are glad (relieved might be a better word) that George Bush - not Bill Clinton's veep - is in the White House now.

Another quote..

The Democratic strategists also have realized that Bush has far more political room to maneuver at home than Al Gore would have had. With his reasonably good ties to the conservative, pro-military wing of his party, the president has been able to both talk tough and take his time. Bush can issue threats, and then wait while the world helps us by other means?financial, diplomatic, investigative?to prepare the ground for whatever, presumably surgical, use of force he orders. Gore may not have had the time to execute a waiting game. ?The Republican Right would have been all over us,? said one Gorean

Exact names? No, but Howard Fineman stakes his reputation on the story...

Your link however, still offers no proof of the Haliburton/Cheney/Iraq connection.

From your profile...

I was born, and it was down hill from there._

Indeed!

[RacerX]

Your link however, still offers no proof of the Haliburton/Cheney/Iraq connection.

Reading impaired? I didn't offer a link. Cheney has commented on the connection saying that he didn't know it was being done... why didn't he say it didn't happen. There are more than enough references on the internet (that don't require a substription and provide more details than your hidden proof which has no proof).

I leave it to you to find proof. If you can find a hidden reference out on the web, this should be much easier.

From your profile...

chicks, Macs, chicks, Macs, SciFi, chicks, Macs

Family man... Indeed!

Any other personal swipes you'd like to make? Or do you want to stay on topic? Remember my posts have yet to need moderation in this discussion, yours have required it (doesn't say much about you and your arguments if you ask me).

[edX]

Alright!! BOTH of you, CHILL OUT on the slanders and personal shots. you're both walking a fine line here and i've only let it go this far because you're the only 2 playing the game. But you are not setting good examples for other members - especially younger ones who are quick to pick up on this kind of behavior and mimick it.

i think there is alot to be gained from this discussion - as far off from the original topic as it might be. But there is nothing to be gained by questioning each others' intelligence, motives and morals. nothing to be gained by belittling each other.

don't either of you start claiming innocence on this because i can find at least 2 instances on each side of this type of behavior.

this is my ever so friendly reminder. please pay attention to it my friends.

[serpicolugnut]

Any other personal swipes you'd like to make? Or do you want to stay on topic?

Regarding the first sentence...Reciting a line from your profile is a personal swipe now? Jeesh. I didn't get all bent out of shape when you cited mine. Nor would I get bent out of shape for being labelled the capitalist pig that I am (I love that phrase!).

And regarding the latter...Stay on topic? Which topic was that? Al Gore joining Apples board? The outrageousness of your statements about GWB? Your antiwar views? Your belief in a collectivist system? Various conspiracy theories? What Micahel Moore eats that keeps him so svelte? Wait - the last topic never came up (at least not yet)...

BTW - you never answered my question re: Ayn Rands Atlas Shrugged or We The Living. Both books are here for you whenever you're ready...Seriously, no joke.

Nighty night...













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