"George Bush our hero!"

[habilis]

These are Iraqi citizens.
"Not in your name" is damn right. Just remember that every time you see a happy and free Iraqi jubilent in the streets celebrating with the American liberators it wasn't "in your name" - it was in MINE.

America will remember in who's name the Iraqi's were freed from tyranny, and it wasn't the socialist democrats and their ilk. Iraq will remember and always be grateful. Americans will also remember when they go to the voting booth in 2004 and that's what's gonna hurt the most.

The UN is now irrelevant. France and Germany are a disgrace to the civilized world. The democrats are in total disarray and running for dark corners to hide their shameful heads in and the Peace movement is a complete joke.

[dlloyd]

Originally posted by habilis
"Not in your name" is damn right. Just remember that every time you see a happy and free Iraqi jubilent in the streets celebrating with the American liberators it wasn't "in your name" - it was in MINE.

America will remember in who's name the Iraqi's were freed from tyranny, and it wasn't the socialist democrats and their ilk. Iraq will remember and always be grateful. Americans will also remember when they go to the voting booth in 2004 and that's what's gonna hurt the most.

The UN is now irrelevant. France and Germany are a disgrace to the civilized world. The democrats are in total disarray and running for dark corners to hide their shameful heads in and the Peace movement is a complete joke. [/b]

I am really happy that the Iraqis are being liberated. That is just about the only reason that I think this war is OK in any way.
My opinion is that an assassination squad would have been a better choice. I know about this 'policy' that the US isn't allowed to kill heads of state, but the Airforce is doing all this 'preemptive strike' stuff anyway, and an assassin would have done it without all the civilians being killed.
Mr. Bush has done other things wrong, I do not think that we will make the mistake of electing him again (Technically we didn't in 2000 either.)
The UN was, and still is, IMHO, one of the best things that ever happened in the International relations area. I think that it will rebound eventually. You must remember that only about 10% of the world's population actually supports the US right now.
A few other things: Remember that if it weren't for France, the US probably wouldn't exist right now, and the world would still probably be ruled by the Nazis.
Germany was the center of Naziism, but was one of the US's best allis during the Cold war.
Just because these two countries don't support us right now doesn't mean that they couldn't save our butts again in five years!

[dixonbm]

Originally posted by dlloyd
A few other things: Remember that if it weren't for France, the US probably wouldn't exist right now, and the world would still probably be ruled by the Nazis.
Germany was the center of Naziism, but was one of the US's best allis during the Cold war.

Please don't go there. France was a different country then. It was a monarchy and the chief rival to British domination. French most definitely had alterior motives in supporting American independence in the same way that America had alterior motives for helping Afgahnistan against the Soviets. America was just a little country at that time with little international power or influence.

Not to mention the fact that America has paid their so called ally back on more than one occassion. WWI we helped the beleagered French and English forces to finally put an end to the war. Secondly it could also be said that France would not exist were it not for America. It would be apart of the greater German Reich or split in two as Vichy and German Territory.

Don't use that arguement. We've paid France back what we owe them and then some. Yet some frenchmen still had the nerve to desecrate American/British forces who died and were buried in French soil.

[Ugg]

Originally posted by kendall
the Iraqi people who are realizing for the first time in over 20 years that they are free.

I am overwhelmed with pride and thankful to be a citizen of one of the few countries that was willing to give their lives for this moment and will continue to do so until the Iraqi people are in control of their country.

And for those who doubted our actions, open your damn eyes!

Free from what?

George Bush has made it perfectly clear that the Iraqis will rule themselves and judge themselves, but not until all the contracts for reconstruction have been given to his oil buds. Is that freedom? Why shouldn't Iraq make that decision? Or, are the Iraqis incapable?

The profits from all that oil should be reinvested into the country for the benefit of the Iraqis not for a bunch of GW's and Dick's cronies. Unless of course the entire point of this war was oil.

Although I did not support this war in Iraq there was no doubt in my mind of the outcome. It remains to be seen how well the people of Iraq fare in a post-war environment. I'm not holding my breath, the US has failed in every attempt it has made since WWII to install a "democratic" government in any country it has invaded or "freed".

Despite the secularity of Saddam Hussein's Iraq, there is a whole passle of fundamentalist Iraqis just waiting for their chance at the podium. Iraq is not Japan nor Germany. It is made up of at three major subgroups who, to put it lightly, hate each others' guts.

If the US is unwilling to hang in there for the long haul like it did in Japan and Germany then this war was a pointless display of America's military prowess.

I hale the downfall of Saddam's regime, but fear for the Iraqi people. Their future is far from settled.

[dlloyd]

Originally posted by dixonbm
Please don't go there. France was a different country then. It was a monarchy and the chief rival to British domination. French most definitely had alterior motives in supporting American independence in the same way that America had alterior motives for helping Afgahnistan against the Soviets. America was just a little country at that time with little international power or influence.

Not to mention the fact that America has paid their so called ally back on more than one occassion. WWI we helped the beleagered French and English forces to finally put an end to the war. Secondly it could also be said that France would not exist were it not for America. It would be apart of the greater German Reich or split in two as Vichy and German Territory.

Don't use that arguement. We've paid France back what we owe them and then some. Yet some frenchmen still had the nerve to desecrate American/British forces who died and were buried in French soil.

Okay okay, I won't go there in this thread
I still don't see what the problem with being pacifist is.

[dixonbm]

Originally posted by dlloyd
I still don't see what the problem with being pacifist is.

No problem being a pacifist. My wife is too.

Originally posted by dlloyd
Okay okay, I won't go there in this thread.

Whenever you are ready, I'll be ready to debate it. I love debates and I love history.

[dlloyd]

Okay, good
I'll debate you, eventually! I'd better do some reading first though!

[ScottW]

Originally posted by dlloyd
Okay okay, I won't go there in this thread
I still don't see what the problem with being pacifist is.

The problem of being a pacifists is the millions of people who have died at Saddams hand.

You have much to learn, young Jedi.