Herve's Bar & Grill

**edX** · February 21st, 2002, 05:39 PM

I saw people dressing up in black leather, wearing spikes and everything and on the next day, they listen to Britney Spears again, only that the night before they where part of the "scene"....

and why shouldn't they? Why shouldn't people be able to enjoy all the different joys of life? Why do some people consider being multifaceted some sort of sin? I consider my self a Dead Head, a Parrot Head and a Metal Head. And when i am participating in any of those environments i normally look the part or just don't give a f**k what people think. But many members of any of those 'scenes' would be mighty perplexed if they knew I was into the others. I just see it as not being pigeonholed int what I can enjoy and what I can't. the problem with any 'scene' is that it often promotes exclusion along with inclusion.

just a tangent point here to illustrate - after the Dead would play, most people out in the parking lot would be continuing to listen to them on their tape players and such. I normally put on something very different. When questioneed about it, i always asked people if they thought the Dead went home and listened to themselves for hours after a show? I already knew that Jerry was a big Dire Straits fan along with lots of country western and bluegrass. The band didn't dress like their fans and i always found this to be amusing.

I think people just like to perpetuate their own personal myths, and group myths have even stronger holds on people who need some sort of sense of belonging - a basic human instinct of sorts.

and btw, one of the best concerts i ever saw was Donny Osmond. It absolutely shocked me.

**ulrik** · February 21st, 2002, 05:48 PM

You got me wrong on this one! I have no problem with these guys. Actually, I ment it the other way round. As I said, i would never judge somebody on how they look because there are people who like it go out in black once in a week. It is not a reflection of their inner feelings, it is just that they like it. They like it to be once in a while "dark", listen do music most people refer as depressing. On the very next day, they are a completely different kind of person. I don't blame them, all I wanted to say it that you shouldn't judge them by first look!

And, to translate this into the other direction, don't judge a "scene" but what some individuals do. If I am asked here in the forum by Alexandert if I pray to Satan because I consider myself a follower of the gothic lifestyle, because I am wearing black all day, because I listen to this music and because I like to go into such clubs, I am already considered as somebody who prays to Satan only because he once saw maybe a TV show about Satanists and saw how they dress up.

You got me a bit wrong here, Ed, maybe I also wasn't able to express myself correctly, don't forget, it's a foreign language for me I have to communicate in here

Hopefully I got things right with this post...

**unlearnthetruth** · February 21st, 2002, 05:52 PM

I am already considered as somebody who prays to Satan only because he once saw maybe a TV show about Satanists and saw how they dress up.

ugh i get accused of being satanic all the time. it's so ridiculous. when did dressing in black and/or listening to industrial or metal music make people satanic?

**ulrik** · February 21st, 2002, 05:57 PM

ask Alexandert

**unlearnthetruth** · February 21st, 2002, 06:04 PM

ask Alexandert

ah yeah i saw that earlier... i only know very little german, so i wasn't entirely sure what was going on, but i figured as much. *shrugs*

**BlingBling 3k12** · February 21st, 2002, 06:12 PM

sorry to break up the swing of things... but i was in the back on my cell phone for so long, i don't remember getting any of my food!

can I please have my meal?

battered & fried calamari along with battered and fried shrimp!
with some Orange & Cream soda...

thanks!

Topic 1:
i like any type of music as long as it sounds good to me, be it Britney Spears, Blink 182, Disturbed, Staind, Nickelback, Fabolous, Eminem, Dr. Dre, Foo Fighters, Cake, The Strokes, NSYNC (god only knows why I actually enjoy that "pop" song...), Backstreet Boys (damn that "drowning" song... the music is just too phat... the voices could go though)...

I never really play the part of either one of those fan bases... i do go for that "fred durst look" with the baggy khaki's and big shirt with the backwards cap, which is what I usually go as.... i never go too far away from that look...

i listen to punk rock, alternative, popular, pop rock, rap, hip-hop, R&B, anything really, but I never go to far with my style... i never obcess with any specific genre...

Topic 2:
in my opinion, gothic or goth is not really a genre, just a "way of life" that people portray... i've got many friends that look like they are the most goth people and listen to the worst music everyone else has ever heard, but being alone with a group, they express many more traits that you really wouldn't expect...

one is a huge sports fan, but never plays sports
one is a huge christina aguilera fan, but listens to some of the most extreme music i've ever heard....
one is a big fan of comedy, but you wouldn't expect it if you'd look at him...

That's my 50 cents (inflation on the internet is worse than in real life! damnit!)

**edX** · February 21st, 2002, 06:14 PM

he he

I understood you the first time Ulrik. I wasn't arguing with you, but with those people (and you know they exist) who do see that as some kind of hypocracy or something. I was really just expanding on your statement. Your english is perfect, don't worry about that.

so that's what Alexandert was asking with the Satan post.

Well I have a little insight into this one as well. again you said it quite clearly but i will expand.

I am a pagan. many people believe that is the same as a satanist. but in fact i don't even believe in satan, much less worship him. There are a lot of young pagans today who are also goths. I know several of these 'kids' and have watched them grow up. they are still the same great people they have always been. very loving, caring souls who are looking for magic in the world and in their lives. but they wear their pentagrams along with their dark clothes and people freak. It is like they do with mac users. they know so little, all they can do is be afraid and criticize.

I also think the whole 'darkness' of the goth scene is a natural compensation for all the 'white light' of the new age craze. The fact is that we all possess both energies and need to have them in balance. goths are just helping to bring back the balance and I appreciate that. (bet you didn't know that's what you were doing

)

awhile back i had a rather good online discussion with a guy who wrote a book about embracing the darkness in magic. After clarrifying some symantics and the potential abuses inherent in any extreme, we found we were very much on the same page. I look forward to buying and reading his entire book when i get out of school and have time for such. btw - he also was willing to admit to me that upon proof reading some of the things i expressed concern about, that he expects to put more clarification into them in future books and his website discussions. but many pagans my age would never get past his blue hair and goth clothes to understand where he is really coming from. and i can just imagine how the muggles (mundanes)react to him

**edX** · February 21st, 2002, 06:23 PM

sorry about that BB, i really meant to bring your order out a few posts ago. It might be a little cold by now, if so i'll reheat it for you. I just got a little carried away back there.

so go right ahead and get to work remodeling the kitchen. remember - whoever suggests it, gets to do it

and to repeat my Lazyboy question - do those of you outside of the USA know what a Lazyboy is? or have you thought i was resting on some slacker 12 yo kid?