badmouthing our president

[habilis]

is cool these days I guess. I mean the dixie chicks were cool enough to do it in another country showing a complete lack of a spine. However they fail to understand that we like them for being cute little white trash country girls, not politicians. Even our ex presidents have sunk to all new lows by bashing the president in other countries abroad that seek to dissolve the US, and empower the EU. That's the same as bashing your wife to your friends. It's so trashy. Janine, I can respect because she at least has the backbone to go on TV and put herself up for criticism.

Badmouthing our president is cool these days I guess. Has anyone in the anti-war crowd found the time to bash Saddam? I submit to you that they haven't. In fact what they do is embolden him and raise him up on a pedestal, encouraging his defiance, encouraging him to NOT take exile, and in the end, this will cost thousands of more innocents their lives. Saddam himself, in the book "Saddams Bombmaker" calls the people of the peace movement "Usefull Idiots".

The armchair anti-war people need to know who they're really in bed with, and the hidden truth about what their actions cause.

[Ugg]

What's with this "cute little white trash country girls" thing? It would seem that you've just joined the badmouthing bandwagon.

Since when has criticism become an "evil" thing? Unless I'm mistaken this country was settled by disgruntled europeans who were unable to criticize their leaders. Are you advocating that we turn into a 16th century european empire where only one religion is tolerated and freedom of speech isn't?

Please understand that nobody wants Saddam in power and also remember that the reason he is in power is because "daddy" Bush failed to have him removed after the Gulf War. My perception of Iraq and Saddam has definitely changed. He's a tyrant in a secularly ruled Muslim land. His ruthlessness in eliminating all political opposition has definitely led to his ability to remain in power as long as he has.

There is an ethnic group in eastern Turkey and northern Iraq called the Kurds. They are landless and stateless, kind of like the Roma in Eastern Europe. The "prez" was going to sell the Turks the right to basically annhiliate both the Turkish Kurds and the Iraqi Kurds in exchange for a few billion dollars and the right to invade Iraq from Turkey.

But hey, what is a little ethnic cleansing amongst Nato Allies, at least the Turks weren't part of "old" Europe.

Not only will the prez' war have a negative impact on the Kurds it will also negatively impact the lives of millions of Iraqis. The Bush Admin. is screaming about WMD in Iraq but who is standing up for all the Iraqis injured in the Gulf War from the depleted uranium weapons used by the US? We know they cause a great deal of harm, Iraqi hospitals are filled with the living dead. Why don't we stand up against their use? Is it more "moral" that we use chemical weapons to take out Saddam?

I hope you are truly friends with Toast. It was the French who were responsible for the American liberation from the British. It shames me to see how poorly we are treating such a staunch ally. Now more than ever we need "un voix de raison".

If idiots are defined by their belief that human life is to be valued above all else, then yes they are useful.

[toast]

Originally posted by Ugg
I hope you are truly friends with Toast. It was the French who were responsible for the American liberation from the British. It shames me to see how poorly we are treating such a staunch ally. Now more than ever we need "un voix de raison".

I have no fiends on this forum

[RacerX]

Originally posted by habilis
badmouthing our president is cool these days I guess.

I guess you lived under a rock or something during the Clinton years. Many of Bush's supporters have said far worse about Clinton.



I'd be willing to bet money that you were guilty of doing it too. You seem like that type of hot-headed Republican. Considering that you don't show your fellow forum members respect when they differ with you on political issues, why would you show a Democratic President (or democratically elected President) any more respect.

But hey, you could show us all how to be respectful. You could even start by removing disrespectful and offensive parts of your post. Not your political views, just the parts were you categorize and belittle other people, their views and their life style.

We could start stopping the badmouthing of everyone (including our president) with this very thread. Are you up to it?

[voice-]

Look, I have yet to hear one good thing about Saddam in this conflict. Yes, he should be removed, yes, he should be disarmed, yes, he is ruthless, yes he is a threat. Nobody thinks otherwise.

What people critisize is the way USA/UK wants to handle this situation. You're basically telling him:
"We're gonna attack you, please hand over your weapons first"
Well, actually, UN wants him to hand over his weapons while US wants to attack...outcome is the same, it would be foolish of him to surrender his weapons right before a war. And that's the critisizm in it all, there WILL be a war, Bush is making that rather clear.

Saddam woudl not co-operate with the weapons inspectors if he didn't fear war, how about this scenario?
You line up for invasion outside of Iraq and arm yourselves, then send the inspectors in. Instead of saying "We'll attack in 2 weeks, surrender your weapons now, please", send another message. "The minute you're NOT co-operating any more we're launching this attack. No sooner, no later"

Seems to me to be a much better way of handeling the situation

[edX]

best sign i saw at the protests yesterday - "Somewhere in Texas a village is missing its idiot"

but then again, i was badmouthing Bush long before he was president.

[toast]

Originally posted by edX
"Somewhere in Texas a village is missing its idiot"

Very, very, very good. Thumbs up !

[Darkshadow]

Hmm...I just moved from Texas 3 years ago...I told people not to vote for him. Heh

But I have to say - none of us are missing that particular idiot