Looged on to internet but web Browsers won't work

[Dewey]

Well I dumped Fredialup and tried copper.net cheap service. I seems that after much searching online I found out that Freedialup doesn't support Mac OS. Copper does but the hitch is I can log in go to their web site but not elswhere IE and Netscape are just not working I keep getting error messages and IE shutting down and the modem keeps disconnecting. Netscape is having similiar issues. Mabe I will hookup my cable I don't know I am waitng for feedback from copper.net as to what the problem can be. I have been trying to use the Mac 7600/120 maybe I will try the Quadra and see if that works. That is really the one I want to get online to get audio software for it but the other would be great too to get games for my son
Alas the issues with working with older computers (sigh). I can do all this stuff with my Presario but I want to give my Mac's a chance
dewey

[RacerX]

Originally Posted by Dewey

Well I found a free dial server since I didn't want to try to go through the hassle of trying to hook up a cable modem to the units which I didn't think they could handle.

This is interesting... what are you basing this assumption on?

Both computers include built-in ethernet and should have no problems joining a DHCP network. Easy.

Dial-up services often require you to jump through tons of hoops and in many cases require that you use special software (that is usually Windows only these days). And neither of your systems have built-in modems, so that would seem to me to be the choice to avoid.

The way I look at all problems is that time is money. So what I suggest is that you figure out what your time is worth to you and figure out what solution cost the least.

If I were you (and considering that I have far more old Macs than you so I have a pretty good idea what you are facing), I would go out and buy a ethernet router. Run your Cable connection into it, and connect your PC and Macs to the router... problem solved. Total cost... about $30, an hour of work and no headaches.

Alas the issues with working with older computers (sigh).

You might want to get out of this mind set. Thinking this means you are ready for defeat from the start.

A better way to look at this is that you are using some of the most advanced hardware and software of the 20th century... hardware and software that would have cost tens of thousands of dollars when new.

I can do more things on my Quadra 950 than most people can do with today's most advance PCs... partially because I know what I'm doing and partially because I'm using some of the most advanced hardware of it's time. Computers are only as good as the people behind the keyboards... get into the right mind set, know that there are solutions, and get creative!

[Dewey]

I am trying to be creative and it's just I thought it would be simple because I have done it in the past but with windows based units the Mac is totally new to me and the configuiration process is a little different than what I am used to and called different things so there lies some of my confusion. The cable was my original idea but with there being a phone line close at hand I thought it would be quicker and easier like I had done before wrong This is a lesson to be learned. The time just seemed to accumulate and I wasn't getting any closer to what I wanted to do. I kept saying just one more thing to try and then well I have gone this far just a little more etc. So back to square one and chalk it up to experience.
Thanks
Dewey

[RacerX]

I'm sure someone has recommended this before, but it really sounds like you need one of the many Mac OS 8 books out there (this one would be fine). If you're starting out with zero background with Macs (specially pre-Mac OS X Macs), get a book that will get you up to speed quickly and provide you with a handy reference when you get stuck.

Otherwise you are just running around in the dark.

[Dewey]

Excuse my lack of knowledge I am usually pretty good at figuiring things out. Well a book would be great but since I don't have a book yet and my main interest is not so much to surf the web but be able to get software -games, audio etc for my Mac's on line. I have cable and a PC but the files won't open when I try to open them on my Mac's when I download them via my PC. A way to do that would be even better if someone could suggest a easy simple way to do that. That is how I got started in this whole situation in the first place. I have Stuffit for opening Mac compressed files but it won't open them or should I say unstuff them. I just want to use the Quadra for audio and video and the 7600 for my son and his games. I also have a Performa 631cd and Peforma 7115cd (Ithink that what it is). I got these all for free so it is more of an experiment and an introduction to MAC. I am thinking of my next computer being a Mac so I wanted to get my feet wet?
Dewey

[RacerX]

Originally Posted by Dewey

Excuse my lack of knowledge I am usually pretty good at figuiring things out. Well a book would be great but since I don't have a book yet and my main interest is not so much to surf the web but be able to get software -games, audio etc for my Mac's on line...

I just want to use the Quadra for audio and video and the 7600 for my son and his games. I also have a Performa 631cd and Peforma 7115cd (Ithink that what it is). I got these all for free so it is more of an experiment and an introduction to MAC. I am thinking of my next computer being a Mac so I wanted to get my feet wet?

I use a ton of different platforms and have books on all of them. I've been using Macs since the 80's and have a ton of books like the one I suggested.

My suggestion is to avoid having to work hard at this stuff and instead work smartly with it.

I have cable and a PC but the files won't open when I try to open them on my Mac's when I download them via my PC. A way to do that would be even better if someone could suggest a easy simple way to do that. That is how I got started in this whole situation in the first place. I have Stuffit for opening Mac compressed files but it won't open them or should I say unstuff them.

From what I've read, someone pointed out the issue for you already.

Mac browsers have a list of what applications go with what file extensions... and in this case, they would link .sit files with StuffIt Expander by adding that information to the resource fork of the file being downloaded. PCs don't use resource forks, they get all their information from file extensions, so the downloaded files on your PC don't have what is needed for StuffIt to recognize them as StuffIt archive files.

Mac is a drag-n-drop world. If you drag the downloaded files onto your Mac (to any place but the desktop), then after they've been copied over drag-n-drop them onto the application icon for StuffIt Expander, they should open for you.

The only thing that might stop this is if your PC or ISP thinks they are some type of image file and are using some additional compression to make your internet seem faster. Stuff like that would destroy the downloaded file before you even got it downloaded. The best way to make sure it isn't happening is to check the file size of the downloaded file against the size reported by the web site you get it from.


Again, I strongly suggest that you get a book... they aren't that expensive anymore.

If this were 1998, sure, you could wing it. There would be hundreds of thousands of Mac users all using the same or nearly the same OS as you, so information would be easy to come by. But this is 2008, and most of the people who were power users of this stuff back then have replaced the knowledge they had with the new knowledge they need for today.

I happen to still use this stuff, but I've also found that (in my area) I'm one of the last Mac consultants/service people who works with older Apple stuff (a couple weeks ago I had one client's MacBook disassembled next to another's Macintosh IIci).

All I'm saying is that you should turn your disadvantages into advantages... It is 2008 rather than 1998, so even though you don't have a massive community to help you, you can also get tons of software and books for next to nothing.

When life gives you old apples, you've got to distill them into some powerful apple-cider! It is all in how you look at this stuff.

[nixgeek]

Originally Posted by Dewey

This may be the problem isn't the ISP # the same as the DNS number? That's what I put in the DNS box as that is the number I recieved when I connect to server in PPP panel. it's a series of numbers seperated by dots like 22.162.155.2 for example?
Dewey

It would look like that, but that is the IP address of the server that you're connected to, not necessarily the DNS IP address of the server that provides the DNS service. I just did a whois on freedialup.org and the following are listed as their DNS nameservers (I'm providing their IPs since that's what you need):

216.177.0.15 (Primary)
216.177.0.75 (Secondary)

Those would have been the IP addresses that you would need to input in the "Name server addr" section in the TCP/IP control panel. I've noticed that on Windows, the dial-up networking software tends to pick up the DNS if the ISP is providing this information automatically once you connect to them, but I've also noticed that it doesn't always provide this information on the older Macs. Once you input the DNS nameservers, things should work accordingly. (To me, it seems as though these guys cater to Windows users more than anything else.)

However, since you've moved to another provider, you might need the ones for that provider instead. Here are the DNS name servers for the new provider you're using (accessed from this page on their website):

65.247.64.21 (Primary)
65.247.64.22 (Secondary)

Just be sure that when you enter the DNS nameserver IPs, don't include the words in parentheses.

Hope this helps.

[Dewey]

Nixgeek thanks for info I tried a search for that info yesterday but was unable to find a resource for Fredialup that had that info. I will try it again and see if that works as I am have trouble with Copper it only brings me to their web site and nowhere else oh well but thanks again.I really appreciate it and your effort
Dewey
Racer X Thank you for your patience. I know where you are comming from and I should order a book if I plan to continue to tinker with these machines. A good ananlogy for me would be I own British Cars they are even more anachronistic as they are out of business and have been for twenty years specifically MG. People are intrigued by them but you need to read up on them to understand them as they are quirky and no one except for speciality place fixes them and then for big bucks I know it's not exactly the same but similiar. I would be great resource for someone for these cars as I have owned them for 20+ years. So it goes for you Mac Guys who went with Mac back in the day when PC's and Mac's were greatly different animals .
Thanks all again
Dewey