uninstall classic; howto?

[dlloyd]

Well, you are actually un-installing Classic. Classic is the OS 9 system software. The Classic Feature is the part of OS X that it used to make Classic work. I just wanted to make sure he understood that you CAN get rid of everything except the OS X handling features.

At least, that's how I see it.

[g/re/p]

You are mistaken - Classic is NOT the OS 9 System software, and
your statement "The Classic feature is the part of OS X that it used to make Classic work" indicates that you really do not know what you are talking about.

Originally Posted by dlloyd

Well, you are actually un-installing Classic. Classic is the OS 9 system software. The Classic Feature is the part of OS X that it used to make Classic work. I just wanted to make sure he understood that you CAN get rid of everything except the OS X handling features.

At least, that's how I see it.

[RacerX]

Classic is a combination of elements which includes the Mac OS 9 operating system software (the System Folder), the Classic Startup application and the TruBlueEnvironment.

The largest single component is the Mac OS 9 System Folder. Removal of the System Folder effectively disables Classic. Apple doesn't provide this component with Mac OS X (they stopped after 10.1) anymore. It is assumed that either your system came with it or you already own it separately.

Both the Classic Startup application and the TruBlueEnvironment are related to the original Blue Box environment. Classic Startup is almost the same as Blue Box (in that it is a rooted environment for the original Mac OS). Once startup has completed, Classic Startup hands the environment off to the TruBlueEnvironment which is integrated into Mac OS X (which is why Classic can run rootless).

Without a Mac OS 9 system folder on your system, Classic (the total environment) can not function and none of the parts (Classic Startup or TruBlueEnvironment) well run. TruBlueEnvironment is an embedded feature, so finding/removing it would be completely impractical. Classic Startup resides in the CoreServices directory and it would be inadvisable for you to remove it, if you aren't using it then it has no effect on your system.

As for the history of "Classic" and how it looked, the rootless "Classic" environment I seem to recall coming into play in DP2, and as late as DP3 you still needed to run "Classic" from a disk image (like in Rhapsody). DP2 still had both the Classic.app and MacOS.app (like in Rhapsody), DP3, DP4 and Public Beta only had the Classic.app, and it was renamed Classic Startup.app and moved from the Applications folder to the CoreServices folder soon after that.

These images are from Mac OS X Developer Preview 4 (one from a few weeks ago, the other is almost two years old now).

[dlloyd]

I guess we were both partially right then. Grep, there's no need to go biting my head off, it was a minor thing

And Racer, I've never seen that Finder interface before, what is it?

[RacerX]

Originally Posted by dlloyd

And Racer, I've never seen that Finder interface before, what is it?

The first image is me pointing out (using Photoshop) the "Classic" application that was included with Mac OS X. I had to get the size of the images down to post them.

I have a small screenshot section of my site here if you wanted to see better images of DP4... and DP2, DP3, Rhapsody and even Yellow Box for Windows.

I was working on a write up on Yellow Box for Windows this week, and someone made a nice alternative interface for Windows using it (see below). It is actually quite functional (and Finder-like to a degree), I was able to avoid using the standard Windows interface most of the time I was working in Windows.

[dlloyd]

You must have done some serious haxies or something. The Applemenu is in a different place, and the toolbar for the finder window is all different...

[chabig]

Originally Posted by dlloyd

You must have done some serious haxies or something. The Applemenu is in a different place, and the toolbar for the finder window is all different...

That's how Apple was originally going to make it. They then moved the Apple menu back to its OS 9 spot after much user feedback.

Chris

[dlloyd]

But he said one of those screenies was only a few weeks old. Aaahhhh, confused!