what a nice mail.app!

**marmoset** · December 2nd, 2000, 01:55 PM

I used Cyberdog for about a year and a half, and only gave it up once it was clear the web browser was never going to evolve any further. I loved the mailer, too, although its best feature did make it into Mail.app -- V-Twin searches of indexed mailboxes.

**Ron Goodman** · December 4th, 2000, 08:51 PM

Why is mail.app useless for modem users? I works fine with our crappy dial-up connections. It certainly crashes less than iCab or OmniWeb.

**Dystopia!** · December 6th, 2000, 05:59 AM

Originally posted by sharl
I can't agree that mail is so good.. the Interface is very confusing and breaks a great number of user expectations. Here's a few major problems:

- No option to turn off panes and see messages in separate windows
- double-clicking message brings up reply (usual is to open in separate window)
- single account sending (as noted)
- saving as draft and making occasional saves creates multiple copies of messages!
- Saving in to be delivered doesn't send on connection
- No simple option to queue mail until connection
- No apparent way of adding addresses from received mail to address book (though they seem to add themselves..)
- No proper mail forwarding

I can't understand how Apple got this app so wrong in fact. I was really hoping this'd be the simple elegant app I've been waiting for so long. Still struggling to find a replacement for Emailer 2.0...

I have to say I agree with you on some of your statements, but it IS still a beta and Apple is more than happy to hear what the users think. I hope you've posted your thoughts to Apple using their feedback site.
Dystopia!

**Dystopia!** · December 6th, 2000, 06:05 AM

Originally posted by sharl
I can't agree that mail is so good.. the Interface is very confusing and breaks a great number of user expectations. Here's a few major problems:

- No option to turn off panes and see messages in separate windows
- double-clicking message brings up reply (usual is to open in separate window)
- single account sending (as noted)
- saving as draft and making occasional saves creates multiple copies of messages!
- Saving in to be delivered doesn't send on connection
- No simple option to queue mail until connection
- No apparent way of adding addresses from received mail to address book (though they seem to add themselves..)
- No proper mail forwarding

I can't understand how Apple got this app so wrong in fact. I was really hoping this'd be the simple elegant app I've been waiting for so long. Still struggling to find a replacement for Emailer 2.0...

I have to say I agree with you on some of your statements, but it IS still a beta and Apple is more than happy to hear what the users think. I hope you've posted your thoughts to Apple using their feedback site.
Dystopia!

**scruffy** · December 6th, 2000, 11:33 AM

Strobe: <i>I also hope the next version stores passwords securely using CDSA or keychain.<i><p>

Keychain is broken in PB. It seems to be half there, but the implementation is not done - iCab tries to use keychain if you want to store your passwords, and then crashes when you try to actually make a keychain.

**abceasy** · December 11th, 2000, 01:09 AM

Why is there no option to retrieve messages that have already been read?? This is a really useful feature that exists in every other mail app out there. I use different computers for checking my POP accounts. I need to see my old messages for this app to be of any use. I don't like that it's only limited to unread messages.

-Lex

**sharl** · December 11th, 2000, 06:18 AM

Since writing I've experienced more problems with the mail.app. Mails I send seem to be showing up with weird line break characters. Nothing I switch in the prefs seems to affect it. And I'm getting lots of inconsistencies and apparent bugs in the prefs to switch between html/text mail. In fact these prefs are some of the worst-designed I've seen..

**Tim Kelly** · December 11th, 2000, 08:35 AM

Originally posted by Tim Kelly

It'd be a perfect mail application .... [/B]

OK, so maybe it isn't the "perfect" mail application. I retract that statement. I did not experience the same problems everyone else is having, but I could not use Mail.app due to its inability handle multiple profiles simultaneously. I stuck with Eudora, but I had problems there I think because of the new way the file system handles modification dates. I kept getting messages indicating the In mailbox had been modified since the last time I used it, which meant rebuilding the TOC, which inevitably lead to emails missing or returning after being deleted. Because of this and a few other issues with OS X, I've gone back to OS 9 fulltime. My overall impression of OS X is that beta or not, this is not up to the usual standards we expect from MacOS. I would like to see an interim (second) beta release before this OS is declared GM, because as many problems as I have found with it I am not sure I would spend $100 on the final release just to find these issues have not been fixed.