Official Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard Thread & FAQ

[fryke]

Like I said: There are user reports that claim you *CAN* clean install the 29$ disk _without_ having Leopard installed on any machine. I know my previous post was long and numbered, but it contains most information on any frequently asked questions I've heard so far. I'll gladly edit the list later on, should newer information become available.

Besides, even if those reports should turn out incorrect: Why would you wipe the harddrive *first*, instead of letting the Snow Leopard installation disc do it (and recognise that you already had SL installed)?

---> I've added a FAQ to the first post in the thread. Please expand it and ask me to make changes if you find mistakes.

[Satcomer]

Originally Posted by ElDiabloConCaca

10.6 is not a huge leap in architecture like 10.4 to 10.5 was. Granted, there are many changes and improvements under the hood, but most developers will find that their programs that run under 10.5 will run under 10.6 as well.

Well I found if the developer used another program besides XCode to make the program ( a lot of them do that) then they will have problems. I also think with Rosetta being an Optional install will trick up a lot of Users.

[ElDiabloConCaca]

What other development programs exist for making native Mac OS X programs?

The only one I can think of is CodeWarrior, which I believe only makes Carbon-based programs, which should still run fine under 10.6.

The only other IDEs I can think of are RealBasic, Eclipse/NetBeans (for Java-based apps), and command-line scripts/binaries, all of which are "cross-platform" capable and do not have many hooks into version-specific OS functions.

Can you give an example of a few programs that:
a) ran fine under 10.4 or 10.5 and...
b) do not run fine under 10.6 and...
c) were developed outside of XCode?

[Satcomer]

Originally Posted by fryke

Like I said: There are user reports that claim you *CAN* clean install the 29$ disk _without_ having Leopard installed on any machine. I know my previous post was long and numbered, but it contains most information on any frequently asked questions I've heard so far. I'll gladly edit the list later on, should newer information become available.

Besides, even if those reports should turn out incorrect: Why would you wipe the harddrive *first*, instead of letting the Snow Leopard installation disc do it (and recognise that you already had SL installed)?

---> I've added a FAQ to the first post in the thread. Please expand it and ask me to make changes if you find mistakes.

Well as you may know that when people used the Leopard upgrade function a lot of people experienced networking wireless issues that full and archive & install people did not have. Some major hacking to get it working correctly. Everyone in the Mac User groups I was in that did either a Fresh or Archive Install had zero problems compared to the Upgraded versions.

so this time around I am going to wait and let all the Mac users I know be my Beta tester before I jump in. Yes I will eventfully upgrade because the Beta was that good. People will be amazed on how much everything seems quicker and lighter. The new Finder IMHO is the creme of the crop and people once they learn the ins and pouts of the new Finder will be plenty surprised.

[ElDiabloConCaca]

Originally Posted by Satcomer

Well as you may know that when people used the Leopard upgrade function...

I think you're missing the point...

Even though the $29 Snow Leopard disk is called an "Upgrade" disk does NOT mean that the only installation type it will allow you to do is an "Upgrade Install."

You can, indeed, perform a clean installation of Snow Leopard on your computer with the $29 "Upgrade" disk.

The disk is called an "Upgrade" disk, but that has nothing to do with the installation types you can perform with said disk. You can use the "Upgrade" disk to perform a "Clean Install" of Snow Leopard (as long as Leopard is already on your machine -- Snow Leopard "Upgrade" disk will verify that you have Leopard, then wipe your drive clean, and perform a clean-install of Snow Leopard -- and, as fryke stated and restated, an existing Leopard installation may not even be required).

[fryke]

Yes, Satcomer, I'm aware that people had trouble upgrading. With 10.2, 10.3, 10.4, 10.5... And some will have trouble with 10.6, too. What I meant was: You don't need to erase the harddrive some other way. You can do it from within the 10.6 installer (or rather, from the supplied Disk Utility). If you want a clean install, do a clean install. No problem.

[chevy]

Originally Posted by fryke

Just a little wrap-up on the day that it became clear that the final build of Mac OS X 10.6 is 10A432, the version that has last been tested by developers:

1.) You can either upgrade from Leopard (with the 29$ retail disc or the 9.95$ up-to-date disc) or Tiger (with the Mac Box Set) or clean install using Disk Utility when started from the disc. All of this only works on intel Macs, but works on _all_ intel Macs.

2.) Unless you've got an Xserve, your Mac will boot the 32-bit kernel per default. Some - but not all - newer machines allow booting the 64-bit kernel, but as a general rule: You shouldn't care. If you ask yourself whether the 64-bit kernel would do any good for you, it won't.

3.) Rosetta can be installed directly from the 10.6 installer, but if you forget to install it and have an application that requires it, Software Update will download and install Rosetta for you without rebooting. You just have to start the application again yourself after Software Update finishes installing Rosetta.

4.) Quicktime X has no preferences. There basically *are no settings*! You can, however, install Quicktime 7 from within the 10.6 installer. This application still has preferences and you can add your Quicktime 7 Pro code from within the Quicktime 7 Player and have its features in 10.6.

5.) Some reports claim that the 29$ "Upgrade Disc" actually is a full disc, meaning that you don't have to have Leopard installed at installation time, and it also won't ask you for your Leopard disc. However this disc, according to the reports, does _not_ allow you to upgrade from Tiger. So there _is_ a difference between the discs. The "Upgrade Disc" allows clean installs and updates from Leopard, the Mac Box set behaves just like Leopard Retail did and lets you upgrade from Tiger and Leopard and also allows for clean installs.

Concerning 4, this means QT X is a viewer. And for the rest we are probably expected to use iMovie or other editing applications.

[ihero06]

Hi All,
My Mac Book Pro specification is as follows. Can I install Snow Leopard in my MBP?
Thanks!

Model Name: MacBook Pro 17"
Model Identifier: MacBookPro1,2
Processor Name: Intel Core Duo
Processor Speed: 2.16 GHz
Number Of Processors: 1
Total Number Of Cores: 2
L2 Cache (per processor): 2 MB
Memory: 512 MB
Bus Speed: 667 MHz
Boot ROM Version: MBP12.0061.B03
SMC Version: 1.5f10
Serial Number: W86400A0VTG
Sudden Motion Sensor:
State: Enabled