is osx a true unix system

[AdmiralAK]

Such "debates" are very educating
take notes

[RacerX]

I did find tools for Metrowerks on the DP3 CD.

[strobe]

Workspace.app would use AppKit to make windows, scrollviews, controls, etc. Workspace.app would use Objective-C. Finder.app does not, it uses PowerPlant and it's been written in C++. Finder.app doesn't even use any Objective-C calling methods...none. It doesn't even link to the objc lib so it couldn't possibly even send a message.

So I guess Apple took WorkSpace.app which was written in Objective-C using AppKit which has it's interface defined in NIBs created by Interface Builder and decided to rewrite it in C++ using PowerPlant and convert the NIBs to constructor PPob resources. I guess this also means the cow jumped over the moon and the dish ran away with the spoon.

No dude, Apple did not take Workspace.app and rewrite it as Finder.app. You are a clueless moron, a regular moron would never suggest taking an Objective-C application using Interface Builder NIBs then converting every line of Objective-C code, all the runtime messages, into PowerPlant C++ class structure calls and then take the NIBs and convert them to PPobs just to see if it could be done. No sir, only a clueless moron would suggest Apple would waste it's time doing such programmatic gynmastics. It would take a billionth of the manhours required to write the Finder FROM SCRATCH!

And if I were to write it from scratch I would do what they did. Cocoa doesn't even handle aliases and OSTypes for crissakes!

man otool clueless fool, man otool

[RacerX]

Boy, you are losing it there guy. Which is okay, usually when people don't have a answer they get angry. So I ask again, which of the developer releases did Apple decide to scrap the original code from the Workspace.app? In fact if you could tell me when Apple moved from the MacOS.app to Classic, I would be impressed (this is a trick question boys and girls, Apple had version of both on DP1 and DP2).

Anyway, can you answer that simple question? So far you are implying that you can't.

And have you thought about anger management counseling? Bottling up all that hostility can't be good for your health.

[RacerX]

If you have missed our earlier exchanges. I have slowly work strobe from his first comment in which the Workspace was only in OPENSTEP all the way up to Mac OS X Server. No for my next trick, I present a process veiwer shot from Mac OS X DP2 (note the "workspace" listed in the image)

[strobe]

It's easy to see if an application was written in C++ using PowerPlant or Objective-C using AppKit. If you can't tell the difference you're a moron. Just look at the package contents or the executable and it's blindingly obvious.

Finder.app in OS X was developed from scratch. It is not Workspace.app.

[RacerX]

"If you can't tell the difference you're a moron."

I take your COMPLETE avoidance of answering the question as the fact that you don't know when it was changed (because it wasn't). Calling me a "moron" only proves that you are at a loss for real answers.

As for the Package, it is a Cocoa app. The structure is the same as every Cocoa/Yellow Box/OpenStep app I've seen. The layout and form are very much like all the versions of the Workspace app which came before it.

So, again I ask, at which version did Apple stop using the Workspace-based app and started using this totally new, written from the ground up app that is supposed to be the current Finder? This should be an easy question to answer. In one version it is there, in the next it has been replace.

You can call me all the names you like. But it doesn't change that fact that the developmental history doesn't show a break. Show me where Apple stopped using it, and you win. Calling me names and not answering the question only make you look like a fool (not that your first "NeXT losers" comment had won you any friend in the Mac OS X community) and gets us no where.

By the way, how the anger management going?

[ITz The MaN]

Hey, RacerX, could you post a copy of the oldest finder.app/Workspace.app? I would like to see the differances myself since the oldest os x i have is the beta.
By the way, what's PowerPlant and AppKit?