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Old August 11th, 2002, 11:11 PM
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How does using someone else's idea of how something should work make me more creative?
It is a tool. If the tool does not do what you want to do, then you program something yourself. When you paint you are using tools of the brush, paint and canvas. When you write you are using the pen and paper as tools. You can be creative using any tool you wish.
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As far as Mac users being smarter... if Mac users are so smart, why do they have to use a computer that's oversimplified?
That's why they are smart. Why use a computer that has so many complications? You would be busy trying to make the darn thing run properly rather than working on your creative idea. Use the oversimplified computer and your time is better spent.
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Old August 11th, 2002, 11:15 PM
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macs are easier for the things that SHOULD be easier, thus giving us more mental capacity for those tasks that ARE hard. we have a more efficient distribution of Brain Power
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Old August 11th, 2002, 11:44 PM
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It is a tool. If the tool does not do what you want to do, then you program something yourself. When you paint you are using tools of the brush, paint and canvas. When you write you are using the pen and paper as tools. You can be creative using any tool you wish.


That's why they are smart. Why use a computer that has so many complications? You would be busy trying to make the darn thing run properly rather than working on your creative idea. Use the oversimplified computer and your time is better spent.
Ok, so welcome to the land of contradictions... so first you're telling me if the tool isn't doing what I want it to do I should program one myself? How bout if I pick up a paintbrush and get busy. That might be easier.

Then you're telling me that Mac users are smart becuase they use a computer with "less complications". Am I less intelligent becuase I can use the PS2 game controller, which has over ten buttons on it? That's a lot more "complicated" than the one-button mouse Apple gives you.

You may just want to really consider what it means to use an oversimplified *anything*. You don't learn when things are done for you. By using the Macintosh (or any other Navi), for example, have you learned anything about object orientated programming and how it works? Probably not, becuase that process is hidden from you, although the related knowledge could be useful somewhere down the line...

As far as "trying to get the darn thing to work"... well, we live in the year 2002, and my 8 year old niece can put a computer together. I think we can move our mindset out of the computer dark ages, don't you?
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Old August 11th, 2002, 11:53 PM
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Ok, so welcome to the land of contradictions... so first you're telling me if the tool isn't doing what I want it to do I should program one myself? How bout if I pick up a paintbrush and get busy. That might be easier.

Then you're telling me that Mac users are smart becuase they use a computer with "less complications". Am I less intelligent becuase I can use the PS2 game controller, which has over ten buttons on it? That's a lot more "complicated" than the one-button mouse Apple gives you.

You may just want to really consider what it means to use an oversimplified *anything*. You don't learn when things are done for you. By using the Macintosh (or any other Navi), for example, have you learned anything about object orientated programming and how it works? Probably not, becuase that process is hidden from you, although the related knowledge could be useful somewhere down the line...

As far as "trying to get the darn thing to work"... well, we live in the year 2002, and my 8 year old niece can put a computer together. I think we can move our mindset out of the computer dark ages, don't you?
1. mac users aren't smarter just because they use a 1-button mouse vs. a 10 button PS2 controller or a 3-button PC mouse. the mous has nothin to do with this. (I, btw, use a macally 2 button scroll-wheel mouse)

2. you say "you don't learn when things are done for you". well that is exactly what a GUI is. if you want to _learn_, then use DOS or UNIX or another CLI. However, GUIs are simpler, and faster than CLIs, and therefore more efficient. by simply using windows, do you learn anything about C or C++ or DOS? I don't think so. likewise you learn little HTML by using a wysiwyg. and that is precisely the point.

3. just because one 8-year old can put together a computer, doesn't mean my grandmother can. and who has more money to buy a computer, an 8-year old or a 70-year old?
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Old August 12th, 2002, 12:16 AM
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just because one 8-year old can put together a computer, doesn't mean my grandmother can. and who has more money to buy a computer, an 8-year old or a 70-year old?
Well, if you stopped spending money on your expensive Apple products, you could give more to your kids. As far as your grandma goes, well, unless she's between 25-32 years old, she's not really Apple's target market, is she?

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Old August 12th, 2002, 12:22 AM
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if price is really an issue, then by all means buy a PC. at the moment we are discussing whether mac users are smarter, and since a lot of the people who have enough money to buy macs got that money because of intelligence, I would say yes, but just on average. Mac users aren't smarter because they are mac users, they are mac users because they are smarter.

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Old August 12th, 2002, 12:26 AM
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if price is really an issue, then by all means buy a PC. at the moment we are discussing whether mac users are smarter, and since a lot of the people who have enough money to buy macs got that money because of intelligence, I would say yes, but just on average. Mac users aren't smarter because they are mac users, they are mac users because they are smarter.

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Old August 12th, 2002, 12:27 AM
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