Is Jaguar worth the money?

[Zeigan]

I think it is worth the money. It is more than a service pack. If you want to get into that arguement, then is windows 98, 98se, and millenium worth their cost?

So far, most people have reported speed increases. If you install, do a clean install. Installing it over a previous one is at bigger risk for getting errors and problems. I didnt do a clean install first and problems with itunes, ichat, my mouse, mail, and several programs that would freeze the computer up... When i reinstalled, everything has been working smoothly, except my firewire drives..grrr.

[vanguard]

Oh yeah that's right, add audio to my list of bugs. I couldn't get the machine to make any noise at all so I had to reboot.

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PS If you have to do a clean install for it to work right than OSX sucks. W2K can update 95 with less trouble than I've had with jag.

PPS Upgrading Linux or Solaris never required a clean install either. If apple requires this then we should revolt. Let's keep our standards above msft's.

[Zeigan]

Vanguard.. How many computers have you had work correctly after updating win95 to 2000. Some will work perfectly. Some will not work at all. A friend of mine didnt do a clean install on jag and its working perfectly for him. He is a computer programmer and very computer literate, so he has put it through some hard testing. It just depends on the machine its being installed on. It is always recommended to do a clean install.


When win2k came out, remember those hundred thousand bugs. Nothing is perfect when it is released.

As for apologizing, people who apologize before saying anything dont want to piss anyone off and want to keep there thread clean of crap. If you go to a pc forum and start with anything about macs, your thread instantly turns into they suck because this..........

Just realize that it is a new product. If you dont like it, dont use it. Take it back to the store and say you do not feel it is worth it. Say it is to buggy and you want to wait. All of my experiences with apple reps has been really good.

[vanguard]

I have only upgraded one machine from 95 to W2k. I'll grant you the fact that it's too small a sample to be *really* meaningful.

I also tend to put an OS though it's paces. I am a professional computer programmer during the day and a Comp Sci grad student at night. I guess I'm just frustrated because my machine is too slow and jag is too buggy for me.

Part of the reason I upgraded was that I wanted to be on Apple's preferred version. I want to get their updates, new software, etc. Charging me $70 just cost them the karma they gained when I got iPhoto for free.

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[Dak RIT]

You accuse Apple of taking the "Microsoft way", and yet in your review of Jaguar the only thing you do is an obvious new features list... you sound like you've been a Windows user all your life (you only look for obvious new features you'll never use anyway but somehow justify cost and upgrade).

The first thing you have to remember about the price is Apple hasn't charged for an upgrade for MacOS X yet... it's been about 2 years. 10.1 was free, so it's due... not to mention I think Apple has a right to earn money on OS X *sometime*. I'm sorry, comparing the 10.2 upgrade to a Microsoft service pack is a joke.

Now... Jaguar does have its list of flashy new "ohhh-look-at-that-mommy" features... iChat, new Mail and Address Book, iCal, Sherlock 3, a new Finder, Rendezvous, Inkwell, etc. Plus it's been polished up around the edges. So you can't really say it's lacking in that department. My personal 2 favorites are the vastly improved kernel (which you may not ever even notice) and Quartz Extreme (just open some movies up in QuickTime on 10.1 versus on 10.2... try dragging them around while playing, resizing them, moving transparencies over them, etc... HUGE difference). I am really excited that Apple is continuing to drastically enhance the technology built in to OS X, and not simply be content with what exists now and look to polish the edges off. I still want to play more with Rendezvous, although that is quite compelling as well.

I think it's also fair to point out that if you compare the price of MacOS X against that of Windows XP, MacOS X is cheaper... even if compare the cost of buying MacOS X 10.0 *and* MacOS X 10.2 against Windows XP Pro (and XP doesn't come with free professional development tools... well *I* care ).

OK, and on to the requirements... you quote MacOS X 10.2 as requiring 512MB against Windows XP's 256MB. As you can see on Apple's web site, Jaguar only requires 128MB (I would recommend 256MB though... it runs fine at 256). Source: http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPL...More=M8712LL/A

Windows XP is imho *usable* for home/business users with minimal demands. It is not however a mature or professional OS for reasons I'm not going to get into here. I recommend MacOS X to everyone now except hardcore gamers (I tell them to get a PlayStation 2), and in some server/database areas where Linux/FreeBSD or Solaris is still a better choice. Is Windows XP that bad? No, but it isn't that good either.

Try doing some research on MacOS X and try it out for yourself... I think you'll agree.

Cheers,
Dak

[vanguard]

Originally posted by Dak RIT
My personal 2 favorites are the vastly improved kernel (which you may not ever even notice) and Quartz Extreme

What is it about the updated kernel that you like? I wasn't aware of any signifigant changes.

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[robobok]

It makes the OS more stable i guess?

[vanguard]

The kernel's job is to handle the resource allocation for the machine. It determines which process gets timeslices of the cpu, what block of memory your data goes into, etc. Basically, it's a scheduler and an accountant that hands out the resources.

There is a lot that goes into doing this well. I truely believe modern operating systems are the cumulation of human logic up to this point in history. The deeper I get into my studies, the more impressed I am.

Anyway, I haven't noticed or heard about any drastic changes in the kernel. I wonder what he saw?

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