I'm over it. Are you?

[lbj]

Originally Posted by fjdouse

I think people who are just saying it's a chip issue may not realise fully the implications yet.

And I think people who are declaring this a confirmed sign of the apocalypse may not realize fully the implications yet.

No one will truly realize fully the implications until a final production Macintel hits the streets.

Everything else until then, everything, is just conjecture and needless worry.

Why don't we wait until we see one to actually judge it? Or is it just more fun to condemn something sight unseen?

[Ceroc Addict]

I was over it from day 1. IBM clearly dropped the ball - 2 years after the 3GHz forecast and still no end in sight.

What bummed me out was that this news took up almost the complete keynote (made up for by the aside that it'll be possible to add labelled chapter markers to podcasts). I wanted some kind of product announcement (e.g. as long as they're going Intel, they might as well have announced that they were making a four button mouse too ).

It's ridiculous how this has brought all the haters out of the woodwork.

Now, if Apple had actually announced that they were dropping OS X and shipping all future Macs with Windows installed, I'd be throwing furniture around the room...

Kap

[pipermalibu]

I agree with everyone that a 2.5 PPC runs circles around a 3.5 Pentium...BUT... the general consumer like big numbers. The eyes start to gloss over if you try to explain why 2.5 PPC is better than 3.5 Pentium.... its all about marketing.
How about vac cleaners that tout how many amps the motors are. What the f**k that has to do with suction and cleaning power I have no idea. But some marketing genius got us going down that road a few years ago. All it really tells is how high your electric bill is from running it.
Now I don't want to see general Pentiums in the box either...but I think with all other things considered, this will be a very smart move for Apple. They won't seem as far out of the mainstream if they can say Intel Inside. Let's just hope it is a processor that is not used everywhere else, is Windoze compatible (cause that will be a HUGE marketing coup) and has performance in line with todays 2.7 PPC. Knowing Apple, they never accept the status quo, and this will be no different.
Everyone needs to keep the faith!

BTW, I started as an Apple II+ user, went to the dark side for about 18 years, then came home about a year ago for good. I am an OSX user as long as OSX and its decendents are out there.

[chornbe]

Originally Posted by cfleck

So I was quite disturbed by the Intel announcement the other day, but I'm over it. I'll accept it and so long as Apple continues to make a better product than the other guys, I'll continue to buy.

I just started this thread to give everyone else a chance to "redeem" themselves, so to speak. If you made a comment or 5 that you've since gotten over regarding this issue, feel free to post. Its like AA only not at all. Group support!

Thank goodness. Some people are getting paranoid about this. It's just a natural, evolutionary paradigm shift. It happens. Move along... nothing to see here.

[RGrphc2]

I just want to see what Intel chips they are using and benchmark them against the Dual 2.7 G5

[texanpenguin]

They're Pentiums, as shown on the WWDC broadcast on the About This Mac Window.

It's a full change to the x86 architecture.

The PPC was designed by the A.I.M. consortium (Apple, IBM, Motorola). IBM as good as owns it now. There's a rumour (possibly authenticated) that IBM was refusing to license the POWER6 chip to Apple (which would have been the G6).


I think it's an ego move from Jobs (IBM holds out on me, we'll go elsewhere) without considering the sides properly. PPC chips (from IBM) are having a large amount of money pumped into them at the moment from outside A.I.M. - the console market, particularly. More money pumped in means that the production facilities will improve. I think 3GHz G5s aren't that far off, in that respect. The x86 strain has run its course - Intel claims that expecting 4GHz from a Pentium is unrealistic. He did say, though, that Intel was committed to Moore's Law (from memory that the MHz speed increases double every four years or words to that effect), meaning they must have a strategy. Both Jobs and Intel guy said that their future roadmap looks good.

Be interesting to read that.

I have confidence in Apple, though.

[Lt Major Burns]

the G5 is a pathetic chip. real world benchmarks (not apples desperate propaganda) proved this. good riddance.

[HomunQlus]

Originally Posted by Fred-Leonard

It depends if the rumor is true.
I have heard it will be a x86 pentium.
If this is the case, GOODBYE APPLE!

If Intel is going to just manufacture the next G6 chip and take over where IBM left off, then it will be OK, but if Steve Jobs has gone senile and decided to use an x86, it's all over!

Look at all of the articles on Apple's own Web site. The G5 kills the Pentium.
Anyone who knows about the internal workings of the chips knows why.
The x86 chip has to bank-select like mad and it takes many more clock cycles to accomplish what can be done in less than half on a modern Mac chip.

What about the 4GB maximum RAM barrier?, no linear memory access?, IRQ's?, and everything else we hate abount the PC? (Ever try to put more than 4GB RAM in an Intel server?)

This would be a 20 year leap backwards!
The PowerMac is a true SuperComputer, the fastest are running near 20 gigaflops. The Intel PCs can't even come close.

Hopefully the Pentium rumor if false.
If it turns out to be true, anyone want to buy a PowerBook? I will be switching to a Sony laptop.

It's no rumor, it's true. Apple is beginning right now to plan and build Intel-based machines.

Originally Posted by Lt Major Burns

i've accepted it. PowerPC failed to measure up. Long live the faster Macs! (i'm going to call it a Mac just to wind up HomunQlus)

Call it what ever you like.