simply frustrated

[ElDiabloConCaca]

Originally Posted by zoranb

All users/buyers whether they need a machine or not should get better treatment and information on what the company Apple will release so they dont get degraded machines especially at the same price. I think the iMacG5/intel iMac is one of the most characteristic case of bad treatment Apple has offered.

Let's break this down like you say:

1) Apple sells you an iMac G5, which you deem perfectly acceptable for both price and performance. It performs well. You are happy with it.

2) Apple then releases a better iMac with a faster processor, and now, all of a sudden, your iMac G5 is "degraded?"

Please explain that to me -- it makes no sense. Your iMac G5 was perfectly acceptable, but now that there's something better and faster out there, you're NOT satisfied with it? Tell me this -- if Apple had NOT released an upgraded iMac and left the G5 iMac as the most powerful iMac, would you still feel this way?

Hey, technology changes. Constantly. At an alarming rate. Computers are constantly being upgraded, which is why you purchase for your needs, not to have the fastest computer available. The "fastest computer available" will only be the fastest for a short while, which could be a month or a year -- but you are guaranteed that it will not be the fastest computer forever.

I paid over $2000 for my G4 running at 400MHz in 1999. Should I be ticked off that I can now get a 2.0GHz G5 machine for that same price? There is only a difference of degree between that scenario and the iMac G5 -> iMac Core Duo scenario. In my case, 7 years later I can get a much more powerful computer for the same price. In your case, a few months later, you can get a slightly more powerful computer for the same price. It's only a difference of degree.

I just don't understand how a machine sitting in your home, isolated from the outside world, is suddenly and adversely affected by the release of a newer, faster machine. Did some magic particles come through the air and somehow degrade the performance of your computer when the new one was released?

[zoranb]

Originally Posted by ElDiabloConCaca

Let's break this down like you say:

1999? I have no problem with sutch time upgrades but check the iMac thing, it was mutch less than 6months, and that my friend really bugs me yes. Of course the G5 iMac is degraded if in less than 6months another iMac 4x faster is produced! Actually Adobe really saved Apple from a total disaster degradation since she never released Universal binaries of CS2. If she did then the dillema that buyers would have would have been crucial, so until Adobe releases that stuff those IBM Macs that are around are still feeling safe and worhwhile since rosetta "degrades" those new Intel iMacs.

On the other hand Apple is anxious of releasing Intel Macs but she has lost a part of the game. She should also worry about what all those people that bought G5 macs and without any notice she upgraded to Intels. Its a good thing she hasnt upset -yet- its Power users and still hasnt upgraded the PowerMac line cause as u know that Quad machine can last long enough, well... it will last unlil the 64bit cpus are out and that wont be long!

[ElDiabloConCaca]

Originally Posted by zoranb

She should also worry about what all those people that bought G5 macs and without any notice she upgraded to Intels.

Without any notice? Apple most definitely did let everyone know that the transition to Intel was imminent. It wasn't a surprise at all -- Apple announced that they were transitioning to the Intel processor long before they actually transitioned -- months, in fact. Maybe the announcement that they were going with Intel could be deemed a "surprise," but hey, they let us know, then they did it. It's not like they just switched processors on us out of the blue.

Just because a new computer is released doesn't negatively impact the performance of your current machine. It doesn't somehow magically run any slower than it did when you bought it. It doesn't make your performance suffer. It doesn't affect your computer in the slightest -- your computer performs just as advertised, and just as it did the moment you bought it.

You bring up the point of Adobe's CS2, saying that performance on the older machines is degraded. Well, CS2 runs under Rosetta, which negatively impacts the performance and probably makes it run slower than it would on an iMac G5 -- so, again, how is the G5's performance "degraded" in relation to CS2 on the Intel Macs? CS2 runs faster on the G5 iMacs than it does on the Intel iMacs... so... ???

I understand the frustration at seeing a newer, faster, better computer being release at the same price point as your old computer, but the only suggestion I can make is, "get used to it -- now." Everyone does it and it's perfectly natural. Apple is not going to stop innovating simply to give its users "warm, fuzzy" feelings that their 6-month-old computer is still top-of-the-line.

You purchase computers for your needs. If you need more power tomorrow, then wait until tomorrow to purchase a computer and see if there's a faster one. If you need more power now, buy now but realize there may be something even better tomorrow... this is nothing new -- it's been happening since the 1980s, and the best thing you can do is get used to it and don't let it get under your skin.

[camgangrel21]

Guy you just don't get it do you. What if you have gone and got oh lets just say a Dell 6 mouths ago. Now would you be piss at Dell when you found that the PC you "just" got from them is now just had one core on the CPU. And that your system is now 500 less then there Top of the line, and it was placed 2nd best on there site. Now just grow up and look around you. As soon as you buy that "New" car in 6 mouths after you get it, they come at with a new one that get 2 MPG more then yours. Would you be pissed at the car maker. No. Why? because everything today is only the "Top of the Line" for less and less time. Just look at your ISP one day you might say hay ok I'll get you DSL for 14.99 at you know maybe "5 MB down and 756 Kib up." then you in 6 mouths find out that now the DSL line pick you got is now the slowes. You don't go out and tell SBC to go F them selfs just because they did not "Tell you!" that they now have Fiber in your part of the town. No what do you do you upgrade. Not bitch cry at SBC for doing a good thing. I could see your point here if. "Apple" = "Steve Jobs" had come out and said once they moved over to Intel that no more PowerPC Software would be made. Now in that case yes you would have something to give Apple the bird over there. That mac you got is the sameone that My dad got when I talked him in to getting a mac. The thing about is by the time him or you will most like need to update your Macs, well most like be when Apple stops makeing OS that will run on that hardware. That is about 8 years from now. By then yeah your "New G5 iMac" would be slow. So I just wish that you could see that you are trying to run Apple into the ground when you don't need to. I meen if you where on PC's not macs. Then look at this way your "New hardware" would need to be updated in about 1 to 2 years. then in a 3 to 4 you would have to buy a new anyways.

[zoranb]

In general terms i agree with u guys regarding technology running at the speed of light etc bla bla bla, i cannot agree regarding the iMac issue and specifically the transition from the 2nd edition G5 iMac and the intel iMac model that came without any notice and in about 2-3months after the presentation of the 2nd version G5 imac. Its as simple as that and plz think about it before you reply.

And about the degradation thing dont u feellike a jack ass if u get the G5iMac and after 2months u see the new Intel iMac and at the same price?

[camgangrel21]

no.

[zoranb]

cool that settles it then!

[camgangrel21]

as for you knowing what gen of iMac you have. there 4 gens of the iMac G5's before Intel. Just live with it. of you don't like it talk to apple and see if they will trade in your iMac for a Intel.