Yahoo! OUTRAGE!!!

[ApeintheShell]

The reason I don't like Yahoo! and MSN is because they favor Windows PCs for software development. We get features that should be normal much later on. If it weren't for Apple's iChat messenger than we wouldn't be able to use audio/video chat.

[Gig']

Originally Posted by davebz

I use Adium quite a bit, but I still have to load iChat for video conference. Supposedly the Adium team is working on integrating video, but alas, NEI (Not Enough Information) about when it will be in an update.

Using adium too here and discovered not so long ago that skype allows macuser to video chat with pc users give it a try ..

[knight885]

I use Adium, and I've recently dumped Yahoo Mail in favour of Google Mail, because the latter is faster, has more features and isn't riddled with bugs. Yahoo also have a habit of kicking FireFox users off the new Yahoo Mail for seemingly random reasons, I can't really be bothered with Yahoo at all.

[flipflopdiva]

I agree 100% with knight885. I was exclusively a Yahoo mail user for 5+ years, but as soon as gmail came out I realized all of Yahoo's shortcomings because gmail has done everything so much better - I find myself getting irritated now with any email system (including my Outlook-based work email) that doesn't group messages in threads!

The Yahoo Beta Mail is trying to integrate some of the good gmail features, but it is so slow on my Mac that I immediately stopped using it. I have now 95% switched to using gmail exclusively and recommend it to everyone.

I also stopped using AIM and Google Chat in favor of Adium, which I have been thrilled with - my fave feature is the grouping of all IMs in a single tabbed box - no more cluttered screen.

[contoursvt]

Originally Posted by ApeintheShell

The reason I don't like Yahoo! and MSN is because they favor Windows PCs for software development. We get features that should be normal much later on. If it weren't for Apple's iChat messenger than we wouldn't be able to use audio/video chat.

In all fairness, 99% of their business probably comes from windows PC's so its a lot cheaper to just hire a windows dev team. Apple is the underdog so I would think that apple should be the one offering some kind of windows compatability tools to help in these kinds of situations.

If I had a company making ummm lets say fiberglass car bumpers and the majority of my business came from GM cars and only a small percentage from Ford cars but the cost of making the actual mold that I use to create the bumpers were the same (same work involved to make them), then I'd be inclined to just take the slight amount of lost business but at the same time save money not making the molds - or in this case with the software companies, they dont have to have the dev team so the cost of not paying the team probably cancels out any lost sales.

Its the same thing for Linux flavours and other non MS operating systems. I'm not sure if Wine works well in OSX but maybe that can be used to run some small windows apps no?

[Satcomer]

Originally Posted by contoursvt

In all fairness, 99% of their business probably comes from windows PC's so its a lot cheaper to just hire a windows dev team.

So you are saying since they have cut all non-Windows systems (they even cut out Windows users using Firefox, how stupid) they should not develop for web standard, Web 2.0 versions? This is chicken, egg kind of argument. You want to qualify Yahoo's Web 1.0 stance, how '90's of you!

[contoursvt]

Originally Posted by Satcomer

So you are saying since they have cut all non-Windows systems (they even cut out Windows users using Firefox, how stupid) they should not develop for web standard, Web 2.0 versions? This is chicken, egg kind of argument. You want to qualify Yahoo's Web 1.0 stance, how '90's of you!

Thats not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that they may have a software version may have all kinds of nonstandard stuff in their code and as long as its running on windows and they are really not losing any revenue by supporting only windows, then they have zero motivation to spend money changing it. No business out there changes stuff because of the goodness of their heart. Its money driven.