In your opinion, how has the Intel transition gone? - Page 4

**fryke** · #25 January 7th, 2007, 02:54 PM

"in Schönheit sterben". People who understand German and know the expression, would have gotten what I've written in English, because it was a word-by-word translation.

ebykm said: "what i'm saying is, since ppl didn't want to pay for the quality, why not apple sell their cheapo models (mac mini, imac & macbook) at competitive price."

Because they're not "cheapo models" exactly. (Apple is not really competing with noname manufacturers or build-it-yourself PCs with mix and [mis-]match parts.) Besides: I don't see *any* mini-form factor PC for similar price _anywhere_. They're all more expensive! Also the AIOs are less for more, most often. The MacBook is very competitively priced for its feature-set, although some manufacturers also offer cheaper notebooks with less RAM and older processor generations or core solo processors. In that regard, Apple could've offered an even lower-priced MacBook with a core solo processor, but I think they did the right thing. After all, the MacBooks have done _very_ impressively in the market.

**chevy** · #26 January 7th, 2007, 03:09 PM

They may offer an eMacBook for $899

Sunnz · #27 January 7th, 2007, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by fryke

"in Schönheit sterben". People who understand German and know the expression, would have gotten what I've written in English, because it was a word-by-word translation.

ebykm said: "what i'm saying is, since ppl didn't want to pay for the quality, why not apple sell their cheapo models (mac mini, imac & macbook) at competitive price."

Because they're not "cheapo models" exactly. (Apple is not really competing with noname manufacturers or build-it-yourself PCs with mix and [mis-]match parts.) Besides: I don't see *any* mini-form factor PC for similar price _anywhere_. They're all more expensive! Also the AIOs are less for more, most often. The MacBook is very competitively priced for its feature-set, although some manufacturers also offer cheaper notebooks with less RAM and older processor generations or core solo processors. In that regard, Apple could've offered an even lower-priced MacBook with a core solo processor, but I think they did the right thing. After all, the MacBooks have done _very_ impressively in the market.

As far as the prices go, you are right, the iMac and mini are comparatively cheaper.

However, IMHO, they are really mid-range products to the market, even though Apple markets them as lower-end machine - yes, they are lower-end to Apple's POV... but in the eye's of an average Joe, a cheap computer isn't a fancy AIO, nor anything really small, but your average box like smaller Mac Pro with a lower end CPU, without the front USB, Firewire, etc.

ebykm · #28 January 8th, 2007, 08:19 AM

fryke, i agree most of the things with you and others. But the most anticipated part of Intel transition was price reduction on par with dell, hp, ibm, etc...., in reality which didn't happen as most of us expected and some hardware issues.

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Originally Posted by fryke

Apple is not really competing with noname manufacturers or build-it-yourself PCs with mix and [mis-]match parts.

True, but apple have to compete with other manufacturers. As i've mentioned earlier, apple prices are higher than others. for e.g, i wouldn't mind if other products were expensive as apple in those countries i've mentioned earlier. One could get a better toshiba / dell / hp with same processor, bigger 15.4" screen, ati graphics card, built in card reader, etc....+ 3 years int warranty for less than the price of a white macbook, that really pisses me off.

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Besides: I don't see *any* mini-form factor PC for similar price _anywhere_. They're all more expensive! Also the AIOs are less for more, most often

True, True.

yea yea, we may start a pricing thread to discuss this.

**fryke** · #29 January 8th, 2007, 08:34 AM

... If you expected pricing to go down with the switch to intel, that's your thing. I haven't had the feeling that this was the overall suspicion. Rather: The call was _very_ loud at the time that the PowerPC just didn't cut it anymore. (Mostly for the notebooks, of course...)

A separate pricing thread: I don't think that's necessary. There'll always be discussion about it, and my answer is always the same: If you like a Dell/HP/Toshiba model better for its features, then go buy it. But that's not what you want, since those don't come with Mac OS X.