BILL & HP copy APPLE Design

[malexgreen]

Originally posted by genehack
I hate em -on the other hand-this message timed in these days shows clearly APPLE is on the right track!

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm..._winhec06.html

I agree that the monitor is a copy of the Apple Studio display, however the functionality of the hardware/software (integrating video/voice/text data) is definitely unlike anything Apple sells. I think this is another reason why Apple won't make it into corp. America to the extent that MS has. It seems Panther is going more in that direction (with iChat2.0 supporting video conferencing), but I think Panther should provide a unified tool to read your voicemail, video conference, and email, along with biometric authentication. IMHO.

[senne]

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wohow, best video i've ever seen from Steve Jobs!!!!

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I'm sure that when Apple released this product (the Bill&HP) you guy went like this: "Wooow, NIIICEEE, Verrry cool design! Apple did it again!"

But now M$ has something to do with the computer and you all go like this:
"Ugly. Most ugly computer i've seen. It's so... UGLY"

Try to look at it as a computer which is from NO company, not from Apple, nor from Microsoft/HP. Then say that you like it or not.

>>>I like it.

[senne]

But i can't deny they haven't copied
Look at the desktop, That's the Apple Desktop!!

[cellfish]

God you people are stupid. Here we have Microsoft and HP creating something new and you guys are all saying that it's ripped off of Apple. Apple did NOTHING like this. The way you guys see it, Apple invented every single geometrical shape and anybody else who uses a shape is automatically a thief.

Your fanaticism is sickening. Do you guys ever wonder WHY people despise Apple and its users so much?

Walking today, I actually realized how people are. PC users demand a lot. When using Windows, they are always faced with better products. They have a better browser in Mozilla and Opera, they have a better instant messenger in Trillian and they have a better picture viewer in AcdSee. As a result, Microsoft is constantly forced to improve its products if it wants to maintain some kind of control. Otherwise, they lose customers to those other, better products. That's why everything that comes from Microsoft has so many great features. On the Apple side though, Apple just throws whatever trash it can your way and you'll just eat it up like french fries. Apple could tomorrow decide to make a program that does nothing else but freeze your computer and one of you fanatics will start a post here talking about how well it works and how efficient it is in freezing the computer.

You guys make me sick, I'm glad I switched back to the PC.

Andre

[hulkaros]

Originally posted by cellfish
God you people are stupid. Here we have Microsoft and HP creating something new and you guys are all saying that it's ripped off of Apple. Apple did NOTHING like this. The way you guys see it, Apple invented every single geometrical shape and anybody else who uses a shape is automatically a thief.

Your fanaticism is sickening. Do you guys ever wonder WHY people despise Apple and its users so much?

Walking today, I actually realized how people are. PC users demand a lot. When using Windows, they are always faced with better products. They have a better browser in Mozilla and Opera, they have a better instant messenger in Trillian and they have a better picture viewer in AcdSee. As a result, Microsoft is constantly forced to improve its products if it wants to maintain some kind of control. Otherwise, they lose customers to those other, better products. That's why everything that comes from Microsoft has so many great features. On the Apple side though, Apple just throws whatever trash it can your way and you'll just eat it up like french fries. Apple could tomorrow decide to make a program that does nothing else but freeze your computer and one of you fanatics will start a post here talking about how well it works and how efficient it is in freezing the computer.

You guys make me sick, I'm glad I switched back to the PC.

Andre

...people like us to be happy that "switchers" like you switch back to your Dark Side path...

Good for you! Oh... Could you do us a favor... If you really switched back to the Wintel Heaven of Computing could you really stay there instead of paying us visits here... And if you cannot stay away of the stupid Mac people around could at least next time be more polite? If you cannot behave normal I can relate to that: You are coming from the Wintel world aka Dark Side and I forgive you...

Cellfish? Peace and love man! We love you! You AND the Dark Side... We the stupid Mac fanatics with our sick minds love you...



Spread the Cellfish!

[binaryDigit]

Well i think that once you get beyond the ranting, that cellfish does have a point. His point is that there is a mindset that exists on this site that makes some folks here very narrow minded when it comes to the pc world in general and Micro$oft in particular. It isn't a simple feeling that their chosen platform is superior, it's a smugness that is more borne out of ignorance (not a "stupid" ignorance, more of a "not being aware, and not wanting to" ignorance).

What's funny is that you'd think that Mac folk would be more in tuned with simply judging a platform through propaganda and mob mentality, but I guess being on the receiving end has a tendency to make you unaware when you are on the giving end.

Those who are not so one sided in their opinions can easily be frustrated. When you look at the hardware on a Mac today, what do you see? PCI, AGP, USB, IDE, DDR all of which appeared on pc's first. On a modern Mac, other than the MB chipsets and firewire, there isn't an Apple innovated part, it's no different than a PC. Appearance/packaging is really the one area that Apple has shown true innovation.

So the fact that Apple popularized the translucent skin is what people focus on when they see a pc with similar styling, not the fact that on the inside, the roles are almost reversed.

As for switching back, well, I surely wouldn't base any descision on the users on this board (or any others for that matter). If the machine does what you need and you're happy using it, then use it. That's why I use both (and some others).

BTW, Apple has long ago released programs that seemingly do nothing but lock up your computer (multi-finder is the first one I can think of), and lord knows this was a common occurance pre OSX days (just ask my wife)

[hulkaros]

Originally posted by binaryDigit
Well i think that once you get beyond the ranting, that cellfish does have a point. His point is that there is a mindset that exists on this site that makes some folks here very narrow minded when it comes to the pc world in general and Micro$oft in particular. It isn't a simple feeling that their chosen platform is superior, it's a smugness that is more borne out of ignorance (not a "stupid" ignorance, more of a "not being aware, and not wanting to" ignorance).

What's funny is that you'd think that Mac folk would be more in tuned with simply judging a platform through propaganda and mob mentality, but I guess being on the receiving end has a tendency to make you unaware when you are on the giving end.

Those who are not so one sided in their opinions can easily be frustrated. When you look at the hardware on a Mac today, what do you see? PCI, AGP, USB, IDE, DDR all of which appeared on pc's first. On a modern Mac, other than the MB chipsets and firewire, there isn't an Apple innovated part, it's no different than a PC. Appearance/packaging is really the one area that Apple has shown true innovation.

So the fact that Apple popularized the translucent skin is what people focus on when they see a pc with similar styling, not the fact that on the inside, the roles are almost reversed.

As for switching back, well, I surely wouldn't base any descision on the users on this board (or any others for that matter). If the machine does what you need and you're happy using it, then use it. That's why I use both (and some others).

BTW, Apple has long ago released programs that seemingly do nothing but lock up your computer (multi-finder is the first one I can think of), and lord knows this was a common occurance pre OSX days (just ask my wife)

Yeah... I bet that you can find Firewire2, Airport Extreme, Bluetooth, similar to iLife apps, PCI 64 bits, high quality boxes (not just design), Gigabit ethernet, DVI/ADC output or if you prefer double monitor support, Rendezvous, 2d/3d GUI, really THAT easy networking with UNIX, MACs, LINUX, WINDOWS, etc. OSes, DVD playback support, AAC & MP3 support,

AND MANY OTHER Apple Mac + OS X things

in the Dark Side Joe computers...

Oh, and USB lives at Wintels thanks to iMac 97...

But then again, Wintel rules and they are the best... They will really innovate when they will come out with Windows 2005 and Athens PCs... You know... You will minimize an app and you will be able to view the minimized contents real time... Innovation alright...

Wintel rules! Apple never did anything for computers in general... Never does... Only Wintel... Long live the Wintel... Praise the Wintel and BinaryDigit for letting us know how truly Wintel innovates and Apple just copies from them...

Oh, and yes we are narrow minded and stupid and ignorant and...

Wintel is the best... Wintel rulez!

[binaryDigit]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by hulkaros
Yeah... I bet that you can find Firewire2, Airport Extreme, Bluetooth, similar to iLife apps, PCI 64 bits, high quality boxes (not just design), Gigabit ethernet, DVI/ADC output or if you prefer double monitor support, Rendezvous, 2d/3d GUI, really THAT easy networking with UNIX, MACs, LINUX, WINDOWS, etc. OSes, DVD playback support, AAC & MP3 support,


Airport Extreme - Just another name for 802.11g which pc's support (and Linksys was first out of the gate). Though reports are that AE is much easier to deal with than Linksys.

PCI 64bits - YUP, I have a server that is at least three years old that has them (it uses Intel PIII 500mhz to give you an idea of it's age).

Gigabit ethernet - it's been availble on the larger servers, but no real mainstream PC manuf. ships it (that I know of).

DVI - It's been available ever since DVI was created. Obviously ADC wouldn't be supported. I've used dual monitors since NT4 time frame (though only a small subset of video cards supported it back then, I used the Matrox).

Easy networking - Settings/Network/TCPIP set it to dhcp, that's it. Been that way since NT3.51 (don't know about Win9x/ME)

Interop with Unices/Mac - Well considering that pretty much everyone supports Samba (*nix and OSX), it's not really a fair question. And NT has had NFS support for a while (since NT3.51 that I know of), though it does kinda suck (at least it did back in the 3.51/4 days, haven't had to use it since, Samba good )

DVD Playback - Works perfect on Win2K and I personally don't know anyone who has had any problems (though I know that early adopters went through a lot of pain, but that's old news).

MP3 - WinAmp has been around forever.

Your other points do fall into the category of the Mac having a clear advantage/first to market.


Oh, and USB lives at Wintels thanks to iMac 97...

Nope, USB was availble on PC's (and I mean on motherboards, not just add on cards) waaaay before the iMac. It went through a lot of teething pains in the early days, and even after things got ironed out, there weren't very many peripherals available. What the iMac DID do was to create a market for these peripherals and accelerated the adoption of usb.

...You will minimize an app and you will be able to view the minimized contents real time... Innovation alright...

Actually OS/2 3.0 had the ability to do this over 10 years ago! It was really cool, there was even an api for it so you could have the icon display whatever you wanted, not just the contents of the parent window.

Wintel rules! Apple never did anything for computers in general... Never does... Only Wintel... Long live the Wintel... Praise the Wintel and BinaryDigit for letting us know how truly Wintel innovates and Apple just copies from them...

That's funny. I say that PC's do innovate, and your response is this I guess it's all or nothing with you. Either Wintel is the darkside that never did anything for anyone not named Bill, or if anyone dares to speak out and actually present some facts, then they're part of the darkside too. That's fine, think what you want. Hopefully anyone who reads these threads can read the facts (and of course verify where appropriate) and form their own opinions.