BILL & HP copy APPLE Design

[Arden]

Okay, okay, this thread has endured enough mudslinging from both of you and I think everyone reading this wants to just wipe off and call it a day.

Back to the original point of this thread... I think this computer (I've forgotten all the details about it in the snowball fight—designation, specs, creator, etc.) looks quite a bit like a G4 Cube with an Apple Cinema Display and an ugly keyboard and elegant mouse. (Ha! Microsoft does make hardware! They have the Intellimouse line (an excellent optical mouse), the previously mentioned XBox, and everything else on this page... they just don't make computers. Good thing too.)

I'm not sure about Longhorn... It sounds like M$ is "borrowing" many of OS X's current innovations (and that's what an innovation, invention, etc. is for: to become standard). If Longhorn is Windows OS X, to be released in 2005, how far will Apple have come?

And when is someone going to make holography mainstream, a standard, popularized? (That's another point: Just because one side or another innovated a feature first, doesn't mean anything unless it's been popularized. How innovative would you consider USB if it had died? If an innovative product doesn't go anywhere, it's no use to anyone. Just because Xerox had a GUI, didn't mean anything; it took Apple to *ahem* innovatively popularize it, bringing this wonderful technology to the masses.)

[Arden]

By the way, could {whoever} post a URL to the aforementioned Longhorn clips?

[hulkaros]

Originally posted by arden
By the way, could {whoever} post a URL to the aforementioned Longhorn clips?

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...1072789,00.asp

And most of the other sites have the same exact videos but cut in more pieces...

[Satcomer]

I watch two of those videos and all they are doing is just spinning some documents or open windows. What is so special about that?

[hulkaros]

Originally posted by Satcomer
I watch two of those videos and all they are doing is just spinning some documents or open windows. What is so special about that?

First things first: Those clips were demos for what LongHorn will be capable when it will come out... Not that it will do all those spins, stretches, etc for sure...

Now, what those demos supposedly tell us is that for the first time we will have 3d graphics acceleration for GUI functions in Windows... This 3d stuff will supposedly give new type of applications and in case that the Wintel that tries to run LongHorn lacks 3d hardware capabilities it will default back to the GUI that currently XP has...

When 3d will be on, apps will perform better, faster with no graphics related problems... Everything will work much better than aything XP offers now...

To me all those LongHorn tricks scream OS X all over the place, not in looks, but ways of taking care of things like 2D/3D/video... Previously, in one of my posts, I attached an image which more or less showcased how easy is to reproduce those "future" LongHorn graphics tricks, in our "powerless" Macs and then some!

In the end all those "innovations" from the Wintel crowd show us that after all Apple for some time is on the right track: Absolute combination of software and hardware, OS with advanced graphic tricks, eye-candy, etc.

Now, if only Apple will lower their prices some more

[genehack]

Okay Boyz,

this is my first statement since I opened this thread.
The discussion went the whole nine yards,ending as always in endless "retrotechnique"posing.
My wish would have been to bring out further speculation,why a certain Mr. Billyboy(with red hair&pullover)recently hates APPLE so much?!
Is it because of the switcher campaign?
Is it because of the need to grow further(sharheolders love that!)
Is it because of the failed Office coop
??
Why is he doing it and why does HP help him?!

[binaryDigit]

Originally posted by genehack
Okay Boyz,

this is my first statement since I opened this thread.
The discussion went the whole nine yards,ending as always in endless "retrotechnique"posing.
My wish would have been to bring out further speculation,why a certain Mr. Billyboy(with red hair&pullover)recently hates APPLE so much?!
Is it because of the switcher campaign?
Is it because of the need to grow further(sharheolders love that!)
Is it because of the failed Office coop
??
Why is he doing it and why does HP help him?!

I don't think Bill hates Apple at all. Pretty much every new version of Windoze that comes out M$ tries to make the UI "kinder and gentler" and yes, many of the things they do originated in the Mac world. I don't know how this somehow translates in Billy "hating" Apple. M$ is happy to let Apple innovate (and take some of the slings and arrows that results) and then cherry pick whichever features that they see that people like. I don't think M$ is losing enough market share to Apple due to "switcher" to really care.

Now that said, I think it's good to be mindful of how M$ operates. Even though M$ as a whole might not view the Mac as a threat, that doesn't mean that whoever is in charge of non-commercial Windoze sales isn't going to look good by keeping OSX/Mac marketshare at bay (or the opposite, look bad if they allow the Mac to take some market share). M$ is a very competitive company, and this is reflected throughout it's mgmt, not just at the top. Everyone wants to please the big man, and so many of the aggressive actions they do come more from that.

HP is in this with M$ because HP is losing market share. Similar to Apple, if you can't fight the unit wars, you start trying to win the feature/innovation wars. HP has to do something to distinguish themselves and try to stem the Dell tide. Fighting the margin battle is proving to be expensive and painful.

Oh and what was the failed "office coop"? And what is "retrotechnique posing"?

[hulkaros]

Originally posted by genehack
Okay Boyz,

this is my first statement since I opened this thread.

And it seems that you want it to stay that way

The discussion went the whole nine yards,ending as always in endless "retrotechnique"posing.
My wish would have been to bring out further speculation,

I prefer the phrase "Blast from the past" instead of retrotechnique... And who was posing at that? And is that really your wish?

why a certain Mr. Billyboy(with red hair&pullover)recently hates APPLE so much?!

Hate maybe not... Envy? 1000% yes! Because M$ is the biggest computer company up there with IBM et al and a tiny company like Apple has stronger supporters while at the same time M$ has SO many opponents hating them, rightfully or not It is like Asterix & Obelix where the Roman Empire won every single country that mattered at "that" time except a tiny French village

Is it because of the switcher campaign?

Yes! Because Apple never called Mr.Gates to star on his own Switch ad Plus, when his company tried to pull a similar "Switch" web site every single company, individual out there, went like buhahaha against M$

Is it because of the need to grow further(sharheolders love that!)

And because XBOX costs them SOOO much... If you cannot kill Sony, try to kill smaller mosquitos, like Apple

Is it because of the failed Office coop
??

I wouldn't go that far as to call Office X a failure but at least for what M$ had in mind, it surely looked to them as one... Still, they failed to take in account the fact that although an ok app, it had its fair share of bugs, shortcomings, not the mention the hefty price, too... Damn! It wasn't even a Cocoa app!

Why is he doing it and why does HP help him?!

Who else could help them? Compaq? HP and Compaq is one and the same... Dell? They can only go as far to put some components from left and right together... IBM? They seem to prefer Linux and their own solutions at every chance they get... Gateway? Ha ha ha ha ha... Alienware, then? He he he... Sony? No way! They kill them nicely with PS2 as is...

Only HP (HP+Compaq=HP) can help M$ put a uniform computing platform solution which will cover all bases of "original advanced techniques" which all others can then copy... Ha ha ha ha ha he he he