When will Apple get any respect?

[Go3iverson]

Really, when will it happen?

The questions are always there. The answers seem to change depending on what Apple comes up with.

Innovation. Apple has innovated the entire PC market. Market share? What can less than 5% do to over 95%? A lot, evidently. The Cube? How many case manufacturers now make cube cases now? FireWire, USB keyboards/mice, huge LCD displays, DVD burners...it goes on and on. Heck, look at the Sony Vaio RS320 desktop...Quicksilver anyone?

Motorola drops the ball on the CPUs and we hear about it every day since. The G4 is this and that and the other thing. Fine. Bring in the PPC 970/G5 from IBM. A beast. Think about it. Not too many people go the 167MHz bus G4 chips. Most of those PowerMacs were at 133Mhz on the bus. That's one line. More likely, people had 100Mhz bused computers, or even iBooks that had 66MHz buses for the majority of their existence. So, we'll say 100Mhz....fast forward to 1000Mhz in a one day turn around. Couple that with a 64-bit chip, PCI-X, DDR, AGP 8x, 802.11g, etc and you have an amazing turn around and some seriously powerful hardware.

Apple lied. No, its not that fast. Oh, it is? Well, the video card is horrible! Where are the video games? Where's the software?

I'm sorry, but my computers are not for games. I own a few and I own a PC that I built, that never gets turned on. It's powerful and it has XP Pro on it. It collects dust. Nothing wrong with it at all, I just prefer my Macs. Games don't touch my machines. That's why I own gaming consoles. I spend all day at a computer, why would I want to spend what little leisure time I get in front of it too playing games? I want out of that environment when I can!

And since we're talking about serious computing, why is it that the first knock at Apple is game support?

This post is not to knock PCs or anything of that nature. If you got that idea, I'm sorry, it wasn't intended. Each machine has its strengths and weaknesses. Just what exactly does Apple have to pull out to get respect?

OS 9 is too unstable? Ok. Here's UNIX with the slickest GUI around and an insane level of ease to use.

It's too carooney and childish...not serious enough.

Windows XP? Purple and green reminds me of the Joker and it's got more colors in it that OS X. Now I hear that Longhorn has application animations? They also have this great new technology where the AGP card takes control of the GUI and desktop and such...wish Mac had that...(Quartz Extreme).

We got that back in 2002. So when Longhorn comes out in 2005 or early 2006, they'll have 4 year old Mac OS X components in it.

Again, I'm sure Longhorn will be a quality Microsoft product, but why is it that when Apple does it, it's garbage, but when the PC world follows 6 months to 4 years later, it's revolutionary?

Ok, that's enough for now.

[dave17lax]

Preaching to the choir, bud.

[Lycander]

What makes you think Apple doesn't get the respect they deserve? They release G5 PowerMacs and people accuse them of faking the scores and you feel that's disrespect? I see a lot more respectable websites praising Apple.

Quick word about innovation: some of those "innovations" aren't really innovations, rather it's just Apple taking an existing technology and bringing it to the masses, which is just as good. Other times it's an innovation that doesn't go far. Example: the G4 Cube died young but the concept picked up popularity in the PC market much better.

I agree that games should not be pointed out as a weakness of the Mac platform. But look at it this way, in terms of software available there's nothing you can do on a PC that can't also be done on the Mac and vice versa, they're pretty much equals. Except for games. It's a weakness one way or another but its importance will vary from different people's opinions like yourself.

Apple does have people's respect. What they don't have is more market share, or a smaller user base, call it what you will. It's difficult to explain why it's that way, just as difficult to explain the fanacticism exhibited from some Mac users.

What is it that's really bothering you? You say that you do not care about games on a computer, ok we're past that. There's plenty of software and peripheral hardware to do everything you could want to do with your Mac so nothing lacking there. What is it that's missing for you then?

[tyma]

As I've said in a few earlier posts, I'm a recent convert from the Wintel world. Coming from that side of the virtual globe, I can tell you that many people watch Apple to see what MS is going to have in a few years. So it's not that Apple is getting dissed, it's more that Microsoft is a BLOATEDLY MONSTEROUSLY FANTASMAGORICALLY HUGE company, and their announcments get afforded top billing. Apple announcments, on the other hand, generally only reach those already in the Apple community or those specifically watching Apple.

*shrug*

Tim.

[Arden]

It certainly is annoying when Apple releases a new line of whatever with all these improvements over anything else out there, yet PC laurels don't even acknowledge that Apple or this product they just released exist when they review something similar, even if inferior.

[Randman]

I respect Apple for what its done (even its missteps) and for what it's doing. I think the differences between the two platforms are getting smaller each and every day, but that's not a bad thing. And I know that there others who feel the same way, even if it's not every Tom, Dick and Harry on the block. Then again, most Tom, Dick and Harry aren't too bright and should stick with AOL. I really don't care if the masses get it or not as long as I do, and that it continues so I can still get "it".

[AnimuS]

Originally posted by Go3iverson
Really, when will it happen?

The questions are always there. The answers seem to change depending on what Apple comes up with.

Innovation. Apple has innovated the entire PC market. Market share? What can less than 5% do to over 95%? A lot, evidently. The Cube? How many case manufacturers now make cube cases now? FireWire, USB keyboards/mice, huge LCD displays, DVD burners...it goes on and on. Heck, look at the Sony Vaio RS320 desktop...Quicksilver anyone?

Motorola drops the ball on the CPUs and we hear about it every day since. The G4 is this and that and the other thing. Fine. Bring in the PPC 970/G5 from IBM. A beast. Think about it. Not too many people go the 167MHz bus G4 chips. Most of those PowerMacs were at 133Mhz on the bus. That's one line. More likely, people had 100Mhz bused computers, or even iBooks that had 66MHz buses for the majority of their existence. So, we'll say 100Mhz....fast forward to 1000Mhz in a one day turn around. Couple that with a 64-bit chip, PCI-X, DDR, AGP 8x, 802.11g, etc and you have an amazing turn around and some seriously powerful hardware.

Apple lied. No, its not that fast. Oh, it is? Well, the video card is horrible! Where are the video games? Where's the software?

I'm sorry, but my computers are not for games. I own a few and I own a PC that I built, that never gets turned on. It's powerful and it has XP Pro on it. It collects dust. Nothing wrong with it at all, I just prefer my Macs. Games don't touch my machines. That's why I own gaming consoles. I spend all day at a computer, why would I want to spend what little leisure time I get in front of it too playing games? I want out of that environment when I can!

And since we're talking about serious computing, why is it that the first knock at Apple is game support?

This post is not to knock PCs or anything of that nature. If you got that idea, I'm sorry, it wasn't intended. Each machine has its strengths and weaknesses. Just what exactly does Apple have to pull out to get respect?

OS 9 is too unstable? Ok. Here's UNIX with the slickest GUI around and an insane level of ease to use.

It's too carooney and childish...not serious enough.

Windows XP? Purple and green reminds me of the Joker and it's got more colors in it that OS X. Now I hear that Longhorn has application animations? They also have this great new technology where the AGP card takes control of the GUI and desktop and such...wish Mac had that...(Quartz Extreme).

We got that back in 2002. So when Longhorn comes out in 2005 or early 2006, they'll have 4 year old Mac OS X components in it.

Again, I'm sure Longhorn will be a quality Microsoft product, but why is it that when Apple does it, it's garbage, but when the PC world follows 6 months to 4 years later, it's revolutionary?

Ok, that's enough for now.

i think your giving apple too much credit on the "Apple has innovated the entire PC market"... only a handful of pc manufactures make cube case. USB was created by intel and others i believe to compete with fw. dont know much about lcd's. dvd burners? i dont think apple builds them...

Most people who bash pc's and macs dont even know what they are talking about most of the time.
Its usually those who are fair minded who know. I must admit im completelty a pc user right now. check my sig for the specs. during the whole G5 benchmark tests there were alot of pc-users on pc majority forums who defended the mac. its really only a handful who need to bash either platform. for what i dont really know.
also i think the argument people make that pcs are only good for games is about as old as macs have no software...

Onto WindowsXP. Ya its not the best OS it has a crap load of security holes that MS does patch its still no excuse considering their massive R&D. I can get through XP fine it does everything i need done. is it sometimes more work then usual of course but what can you do?

For a time many people bashed mac hardware because their was a gap with the G3 and G4 compared to intel and amd. so we had faster procs with a mid-level OS. while you guys had a very superior OS and really ahead of its time. now though the gap is next to none. So now you have both hardware and software. If MS can get things right with Longhorn hopefully pc users will also be on the same level with OS and hardware. What does piss me off is microsoft has the capability to make a great OS but with a market share of 90%+ they could careless. which sux for us...

Lastly you might be thinking what im doing here. Well im mystified by apples innovation. OSX, iapps, the new G5. I also really love the ibook style its awesome...

[MaC hAcKeR]

I try to tell people...
Virtual PC! Run Windows on the Mac, run your games and software that dosn't run on Mac!
"PCs are much faster, Macs suck. THe OS sucks. There's no such thing as windows on a mac. Macs crash everytime you start them up"
Get it every time from PC friends...
God... I have to tell theb bout Unix, OS X, VPC, sheesh...
"They cost too much!"
THis is where I walk away... this is the ONLY thing I hate about apple.