OS X Tiger?

[xarcom]

Originally Posted by macgeek

I'm sorry... I didn't realize there was a feature list for Tiger anywhere.

Well if you do a little research you might find some speculated features.. of course no official feature list is available... (we are talking about Apple here)

Originally Posted by macgeek

Listen, with all due respect, both of you guys need to go cry somewhere else.

What respect ? You just insulted us both ? I guess its too much to ask to have a discussion on a forum.

Originally Posted by macgeek

Compare Mac OS X updates with Windows updates, both in features, cost, and frequency. There is no question Apple has it right. There is a TON of work that goes into each of the innovations that Apple puts in a new OS release, and I think everyone needs to start respecting that.

I respect the work that was done in the upgrade, although minor UI tweaks isn't what I would call innovation. The best thing about going to panther for me was speed since I have a G3, that and having apple's X11.

Originally Posted by macgeek

Microsoft takes forever to release an OS and it always falls short of what everyone hopes it will be. Apple (nearly) always makes people so excited about their innovations that they get people out in force on the day of the release just to get the chance to buy the new OS. That tells me that the price point is definitely not too high.

Thus why I said previously that I find its great to have upgrades quickly instead of 1 / 5 years.

Originally Posted by macgeek

Apple releases a new OS every year that has more innovation in it than the last 3 Windows releases. Show some respect.

You cannot compare an Apple user with an MS user, they're just differen't types of users with different needs in my view. Else why wouldn't everyone use Macs? its clearly superior.

As for the respect, perhaps it would be time for you to accept that people have their own opinions and that is what forums are for: discussing things. if you can't deal with that, thats not my problem.

Originally Posted by macgeek

If you're a poor student, don't buy it, but don't complain, because Windows updates cost like $400. Or, you could always take advantage of the Apple student discounts.

Without the "poor student" Apple doesn't have a future. Show some respect for those who are the future of apple and that will make apple thrive.

Originally Posted by macgeek

I know the point was that you want a full price and an upgrade price, but think of it this way: EVERY purchase of the software is an upgrade. New full versions are handed out for free when you buy a mac.

Well its nice that you eventually got to the point of my post. As I said, my beef is with Apple's policy of releasing an upgrade, and then all new software is made for the latest revision.. and if u're 1 or 2 back... well tough.

[macgeek]

To continue the discussion you claim we aren't having, how can you call Exposé and Fast User-switching minor UI tweaks? How about encrypting and decrypting your home folder on the fly... a minor UI tweak?

And speculation is merely that. The Tiger release seems to be more tight-lipped than any other release has been for a long time, so to say that "the feature list" is not worth an upgrade is premature at best.

The "cry somewhere else" line was just something to get the fire burning in your belly, which it obviously has. I was a CS student in the rather recent past and had to live off $45 a week, so I know what it's like. But even when I was a poor student, I realized the upgrades were reasonably priced and didn't whine about it. If you really want the software, I'm sure you can find some way to get it. Save up. You probably have until September or something...

[nmm88]

Just another clarification:
Windows XP UPGRADE can be found for $90 dollars on Amazon. First we started at 400, then 199. So it could actually be said thta it is cheaper, as they offer an upgrade. The full version is 199. That is for the Home Edition and not the pro, but for most people there is no need for the pro edition. Im not saying that it is better because of that, it certainly isnt.

First of all, I agree that apple does seem to release OS's much faster than Microsoft. That is usually a great thing because we are constantly getting new features, and only need to pay for the upgrade if we need it.

But I have also noticed many software programs that only support panther for some feature or another etc. I think apple needs to do a better job of making sure that they dont leave people in the dust or force them to pay for an upgrade. All new programs should at least support panther, and tiger should be an extra.

In the end we all just need to realize that Apple is a computer company, and as all companies do, they are going to try to make money. If you need to upgrade because some key feature of your OS now wont work then you'll have to upgrade. Thats how it goes in the computer business.

[macgeek]

Originally Posted by nmm88

Just another clarification:
Windows XP UPGRADE can be found for $90 dollars on Amazon. First we started at 400, then 199. So it could actually be said thta it is cheaper, as they offer an upgrade. The full version is 199. That is for the Home Edition and not the pro, but for most people there is no need for the pro edition. Im not saying that it is better because of that, it certainly isnt.

Okay, but to be fair:
Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Upgrade
Date first available at Amazon: August 24, 2001

What did it cost on August 24, 2001? And why haven't they updated it in the last 3 years?

[iZero]

hmm i think i will go and buy it, considering i got panther as a gift.

[mindbend]

I don't know when it was, but within the last few years, a growing number of Apple users suddenly became a bunch of cheapasses.

Since when is $130 once a year (at best) such a big deal?

I was a poor student once too. It meant I had to wait longer to upgrade. That's life.

None of these upgrades are mandatory. If it has features you need and want, they should be worth paying for.

[bobbo]

i got os x for my imac G3 when it first came out. Then, Jaguar was released a few months later. I was annoyed but thought it would be ok to still run 10.1. However then when all of Apple's software and plugins would only run on 10.2 Jaguar I felt cheated almost. I ended up getting 10.2, and now 10.3. I just received an iBook G4 and I know I'll soon be finding myself needing to get Tiger. I'm glad I have a University connection so I can get it for $50.

[bobbo]

and also, it's for me not so much about getting the new features, but that I got this after i knew tiger would be released, and it will be out within a few months, and apple will make me pay. It's kind of like with iLife. Updates that used to be free, as a way of Apple saying, "thanks" for being customers and acknowledging that you already bought a software, are now being charged for. Even though I had an iMac G3 and so would only be able to use iMovie/Photo.

And if anyone is going to point out that i should have waited to get this iBook, I got a large chunk of it as a gift, I had been planning to get it myself once Tiger was released.