Displays: Ok, I have to fume now! - Page 2

Zammy-Sam · #9 June 29th, 2004, 01:57 AM

17inch old cinema is still available including an ADC adapter. Wrap some aluminium foil around the frame and enjoy the new look..

diablojota · #10 June 29th, 2004, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by King Shrek

Can you even confirm that there is any accuracy in that statement?

I wish I could find the article for you now, but Steve Jobs even said that they are no longer hoping that the iPod brings switchers.
http://www.macobserver.com/article/2004/06/18.4.shtml
Found the article!

King Shrek · #11 June 29th, 2004, 07:23 PM

Well, I still think that Mac users need a cheaper option anyway.

**mdnky** · #12 June 29th, 2004, 09:42 PM

There's cheaper options out there made by Sony, Viewsonic, Mitsibishi, NEC, and the other monitor manufacturers. They'll work just fine with a Mac.

The price of the 30" Cinema display is right where it probably should be. I'd love to see it cost less of course, but that's not realistic. If you can find another monitor equal to or better than that one for under $3200, let me know about it.

Apple isn't trying to compete with the PC world. If they were you'd definitely see a big difference in the quality of the machines and the associated costs. They're high-end machines in a niche market.

King Shrek · #13 June 29th, 2004, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mdnky

There's cheaper options out there made by Sony, Viewsonic, Mitsibishi, NEC, and the other monitor manufacturers. They'll work just fine with a Mac.

The price of the 30" Cinema display is right where it probably should be. I'd love to see it cost less of course, but that's not realistic. If you can find another monitor equal to or better than that one for under $3200, let me know about it.

Apple isn't trying to compete with the PC world. If they were you'd definitely see a big difference in the quality of the machines and the associated costs. They're high-end machines in a niche market.

Well, I haven't said anything about the 30". The 30" is cooler than heck and priced just right. Even the 20" and 23" screens are priced right. But Apple still needs to cover the low-end side of things if it really wants to make some money and increase it's market share.

Don't you want to see Apple's market share and profits go up? Be honest.

Pengu · #14 June 29th, 2004, 10:44 PM

So what you want is Four monitors in the new lineup, starting with a 17"?

I can understand that desire. I just found out my job (currently rolling over from contract to contract) is going to "change" ( i have to re-apply for it.. don't ya just love government) and i will effectively double my income. Anywho. Im gonna save as much as i can and hope to get a ( based on current prices/models) dual 2ghz g5 and a 20" lcd. (with the new NVIDIA card, bluetooth and 250gb)

At the moment it looks like it'll be early next year, when I'm guessing we'll have, or be close to having new G5s (one of those rumored XStations would be nice)

So basically, I understand your point, but I don't think it's going to happen. 17" is almost standard now. Admittedly not in LCDs, but CRTs are almost all 17" now, and a lot of places are offering LCDs as default. Apple has always been that one step ahead of the rest of the market. Wireless Networking. DVD-RAM/DVD-R(W). Flatscreen (CRT & LCD), Gigabit ethernet, Firewire, USB.

Basically, I think Apple ARE competing with the PC offerings. take LCDs (where there is likely to be less technical difference)

I did a quick google search for "20 inch lcd" and found an online store. I found several 20" LCDs for around $1k. however. Only one had a usb hub. none had a firewire hub. and if they are anything like the IBM LCDs we have here at work, the picture quality will be shocking at best. Apple has always been seen as "uncompetitive and overpriced" by people that don't seem to understand why people use macs, or simply want "a mac for a pc price". That isn't going to happen. A friend of mine bought a PC (AMD XP2500+, 512Mb, 128Mb GForce4FX5600, 120Gb, Combo, 17"CRT) from a dodgy guy for $AU1500. It seemed like a good deal. Then we noticed. He didnt have the gigabit ethernet as promised, only 10/100. His modem (a "soft" modem which relies on windows drivers to work) wouldnt work in Linux, and wasn't even recognized by Windows! His monitor had a vertical line in it and steadily had more and more flicker, even at 85Hz. The one he got back, is not flatscreen, and has no EMI (electro-magnetic interference) screening, so it affects the TV/Radio/etc whenever it's on.

The moral of the story: Cheap usually means Cheap & Nasty. I'm happy to spend $AU8000 on a new G5/LCD/etc because I know that it will last. I have a G4 400 with a 17" flatscreen ADC CRT (up to 832Mb, 120+40Gb). It still works. But I want something better now. I will probably use the G4 either as a server, or give it to my parents to use. How many 400Mhz PCs can you tell me that will run XP without problems, and let you burn cds, download from the net and read emails AT THE SAME TIME?

I rest my case.
( i thought that was just an expression... )

King Shrek · #15 June 29th, 2004, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Pengu

Apple has always been seen as "uncompetitive and overpriced" by people that don't seem to understand why people use macs, or simply want "a mac for a pc price".

That's exactly why Apple needs to more aggressively cover the low-end of the business their in.

King Shrek · #16 June 29th, 2004, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Pengu

The moral of the story: Cheap usually means Cheap & Nasty. I'm happy to spend $AU8000 on a new G5/LCD/etc because I know that it will last. I have a G4 400 with a 17" flatscreen ADC CRT (up to 832Mb, 120+40Gb). It still works. But I want something better now. I will probably use the G4 either as a server, or give it to my parents to use. How many 400Mhz PCs can you tell me that will run XP without problems, and let you burn cds, download from the net and read emails AT THE SAME TIME.

And there are many people that don't know or understand the good things about Macs. Heck, there are so many people that know nothing about them, but if they were able to purchase a cheaper Mac to just try out this platform, they would realize how good of a platform it really is. Then later they would likely be much more willing to spend the extra $$$ on a high-end machine.