Dashboard rips off Konfabulator - Page 3

Ripcord · #17 June 29th, 2004, 09:21 AM

The sad thing is, Watson and Konfab were some of the reasons that I switched to X. At the moment, similar programs don't exist in Windows (at least that are of any quality). Quite a few small, very useful, well-designed apps like this are unique to OS X, and increase the user experience on the platform today

Dashboard is a(nother) slap in the face to these developers, saying, "hey, develop cool stuff for our platform! It's the best! And if you come up with a really good idea, we'll steal it and integrate it into the OS, effectively making it pointless for anyone to reward you for your efforts!"

It certainly is feasible to think that innovators will think twice before innovating on Mac. Even Microsoft hasn't done that sort of thing in recent memory (their moves are far more well-thought out and calculated)

Apple's taking a similar strategy with their retail stores and their resellers, eventually I have to imagine they're going to start seeing the aftereffects of what they're doing here...

Pengu · #18 June 29th, 2004, 09:26 AM

OK. I didnt want to get into this, cus it will end badly. But now you made me.
A) Does dashboard support third party widgets? I havent seen anything saying so.
B) Does dashboard support literally hundreds (thousands?) of existing widgets?
C) It's america. Capitalism is about making money. If you don't make money, you fail. Arlo & Pery didn't copyright/patent ANY part of konfabulator. Apple took an existing idea (which it seems they pretty much came up with 20 years ago) and re-engineered it. Where's the crime?

If you feel so strongly about it, give them your money. Otherwise build a bridge and get over it already. Anyone would think arlo & perry were living on the street eating out of bins the way you lot are going on.

lnoelstorr · #19 June 29th, 2004, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Pengu

A) Does dashboard support third party widgets? I havent seen anything saying so.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/tiger/dashboard.html

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Originally Posted by Apple Site

Developers can build their own Widgets using the JavaScript language...

I'd say that's a yes then.

Ripcord · #20 June 29th, 2004, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Pengu

C) It's america. Capitalism is about making money. If you don't make money, you fail. Arlo & Pery didn't copyright/patent ANY part of konfabulator. Apple took an existing idea (which it seems they pretty much came up with 20 years ago) and re-engineered it. Where's the crime?

That's right, in business it only has to be *highly* illegal to be wrong, deplorable, scandalous, etc. If I force an old lady out onto the street with no financial remuneration, it's legal! And it's okay because it's in the name of business.

I suppose this mindset in America is why Microsoft is still one company and not three...

Quicksilver · #21 June 29th, 2004, 10:00 AM

I agree with GroundZeroX, I think confabulator is a waist of space and it lowers the mac os x elegance and class. In my opinion its crap. I downloaded konfab once, used it for an hour or so playing around and deleted it within a day. Its worse than pop-up's on a windows machine.

VERY Bad move apple. It just don't sell me another os, no way! I would have spent the cash in promoting the operating system "MAC OS X - Tiger" on a TVC or somthing.

I dont know much about the history of Konfabulator but I see as a bit like asking all your developers to develop for you, but when one has a great product, its taken right out of there heart. Not only that, it happened right on WWDC. whats that all about? That will surley scare alot of developer potential away.

anyway...... T think konfab may still be around for a while though.

mi5moav · #22 June 29th, 2004, 10:01 AM

The didn't rip it off they made it better. If they thought there product was one of a kind why didn't they copyright the design? How is it that we have 20 car companies? Did they rip each other off heck no they make their own product and made it better.

Apple has been trying this widget push since Opendoc and Cyberdog. All Konfabulator does is become a container for the widgets...and it does a lousy job in my opinion. If anything they totally ripped off Apple with their Konpose. I don't think they understand the concept?

Everyone does things differently. Many people like Konfabulator for the eye candy. I used to enjoy it for the information at my fingertips...However, the latest versions destroy some of the older widgets so, I no longer use it. Unfortunately, who ever runs that company has a horrible business and marketing sense and was slowly destroying the product. He knew that he was running out of ideas and should be ashamed for trying to halt competition.

Apple pushes people sometimes they do it out of love, hate what not but almost every time everyone wins. Heck if Apple didn't push Microsoft with certain things we wouldn't have this great office product, if they didn't push Watson it would be as bad as sherlock. Anyone that doesn't enjoy competition is stupid and greedy, simple as that... and scared as a buffalo in miami.

Ricky · #23 June 29th, 2004, 10:11 AM

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mi5moav · #24 June 29th, 2004, 10:42 AM

Arlo ripped off the idea of OpenDoc and CI labs components, containers and objects that IBM and Apple were working on ten years ago. Nothing changed the container idea was there the ability to create your own widgets(and many called them widgets/components back then) The only thing that changed is that back then components could be linked together in ways which Arlo has done a lousy job of pushing and the Aqua graphics came around. All Konfabulotro and these widgets are, is a repackaged version of live objects with a prettier graphics.

http://www.atpm.com/2.09/page5.shtml