Do you think Apple should include a copy of the Bible ...

[rubaiyat]

Originally Posted by JetwingX

apple is a computer company, not a church.

You ARE kidding me NO?

I always thought of it as the Church of the Digital Deity, which is why I am still paying my tithes to the one true prophet, His Holiness The Steve.

[DanTekGeek]

I see absolutley no reason why anyone would think that an operating system should include anything of a religious nature unless it is something like "GodOS"

[MDLarson]

Originally Posted by rubaiyat

You beat me to it!

Yep, by over two months.

Originally Posted by rubaiyat

I assume the poster would also want a large amount of scientific texts and links to ALL the material fundamentalists wish to ban and censor.

After all we do not want the users to maintain their beliefs solely based on ignorance.

If you can tell me how life happened by accident, I might have respect for your opinion. Until then, keep your "holier than though" attitude to yourself.

[Darkshadow]

Uh...that would be "holier than thou" not though....

Though that's pretty funny.

Hmm, if Apple did add in a Bible, it'd be the first thing I threw away. Don't think I'd get vocal about it, but I wouldn't keep it around, either.

[Cat]

If you can tell me how life happened by accident, I might have respect for your opinion.

No problem: the evironment of the prehistorical sea favoured the development of fatty molecules which because of their chemical makeup had a hydrophilous and a hydrophobous part. This quite naturally led to the formation of primitive cells. As these cells were more stable than their surroundings they were the idel place for the development of longer lasting chemical composites. Once simple self-replicating molecula came on stage, life was born.

Take the chmicals, shake and stir and you get life. Life is pretty common in all the enivronments that contain just a few basic chemicals, water and a certain amount of heat or other energy. For example it is quite probable that the Jovian moon Europa harbors life.

The famous experiments by Miller showed that it was quite easy to re-create the conditions of the ancient seas in laboratory and obtain the same results. Interestingly the composition and chamical properties (acidity, salinity, etc.) of your blood are quite close to the original marine environment.

This is a quite simplistic account as a proof of concept that such an account can be given. Life can be "created" simply by chance.

[ElDiabloConCaca]

Just gotta get it out of the way: No, I don't think it should be included.

On the other hand, though, saying that if the Bible were included that other religious texts would also have to be included is like saying that if iTunes comes bundled with a new Macintosh that RealPlayer and Windows Media Player and all the other media players should come bundled as well.

Granted, software and religious texts are two very different things, but using said logic is backwards. The world doesn't work that way. McDonald's won't (and shouldn't) serve you a Whopper and BMW won't sell you a Mercedes. The choice lies with the company, and if they wanted to include the Bible and exclude all other religious texts, that's perfectly fine by me. If they wanted to serve me the book of Mormon and exclude the Bible, also fine by me. What goes on my computer is my choice ultimately, regardless of what comes pre-bundled.

[Viro]

Originally Posted by Cat

No problem: the evironment of the prehistorical sea favoured the development of fatty molecules which because of their chemical makeup had a hydrophilous and a hydrophobous part. This quite naturally led to the formation of primitive cells. As these cells were more stable than their surroundings they were the idel place for the development of longer lasting chemical composites. Once simple self-replicating molecula came on stage, life was born.

Take the chmicals, shake and stir and you get life. Life is pretty common in all the enivronments that contain just a few basic chemicals, water and a certain amount of heat or other energy. For example it is quite probable that the Jovian moon Europa harbors life.

The famous experiments by Miller showed that it was quite easy to re-create the conditions of the ancient seas in laboratory and obtain the same results. Interestingly the composition and chamical properties (acidity, salinity, etc.) of your blood are quite close to the original marine environment.

This is a quite simplistic account as a proof of concept that such an account can be given. Life can be "created" simply by chance.

The experiment by miller has been shown to be a fraud. It is wrong on so many levels. For one, it requires the absolute absence of oxygen. Notice the compounds are hydrogen, ammonia, methane and water. The presence of oxygen in the original experiment would have pretty much ended Stanley Miller and Harold Urey's careers, and quite possibly their lives as well. The problem with the mixture is that it is practically impossible to have an oxygen free environment in REAL life. A single spark in an environment filled with Methane, hydrogen and a little little little bit of oxygen would result in a spectacular explosion, killing any so called 'cells' that could have been formed by the process.

Not to mention that all the Miller/Urey experiment did was to show that it was possible to synthesise certain amino acids. that's all. No cells, nothing living. You can shake and stir all you want, and 50 years later you'll still get no life.

If you're still not convinced, practically all scientists in the field know accept the fact that the composition of the chemicals in the Miller/Urey experiment aren't representative of the primitive earth atmosphere.

Publishers have been forced to recently correct factual errors in text books and papers that have been relentlessly propagated by those who have an agenda to further. Here's an article by the Discovery Institute concerning retractions made by various publishers with regards to 'experiments' that have been the staple of Darwinists for years. http://www.discovery.org/scripts/vie...ogram=News-CSC

So no, this example of life happening by 'accident' is a no go. Next example please.

[MDLarson]

Originally Posted by Cat

No problem: the evironment of the prehistorical sea favoured the development of fatty molecules which because of their chemical makeup had a hydrophilous and a hydrophobous part. This quite naturally led to the formation of primitive cells. As these cells were more stable than their surroundings they were the idel place for the development of longer lasting chemical composites. Once simple self-replicating molecula came on stage, life was born.

Take the chmicals, shake and stir and you get life. Life is pretty common in all the enivronments that contain just a few basic chemicals, water and a certain amount of heat or other energy. For example it is quite probable that the Jovian moon Europa harbors life.

The famous experiments by Miller showed that it was quite easy to re-create the conditions of the ancient seas in laboratory and obtain the same results. Interestingly the composition and chamical properties (acidity, salinity, etc.) of your blood are quite close to the original marine environment.

This is a quite simplistic account as a proof of concept that such an account can be given. Life can be "created" simply by chance.

I doubt it.

Here's how I look at it: as humans, we spend so much energy in life trying to keep things from falling apart. We have car mechanics for broken cars. We have doctors for degrading bodies.

If we look outside of humanity, we observe nature. If the wacko environmentalists are to be believed, humans are killing the earth anyway; however, we do observe nature renewing itself. With the seasons, we have cycling weather patterns and all of that. Long-term, we have burned down forests renewing their trees.

But if we keep looking outward, we notice that the sun is largely what sustains the earth. And the sun is burning up. All stars burn up. As far as we can tell, everything will burn up, cool down and die. The trend is obvious.

In my observation, evolution works against the trend. This is how my very complex brain works, and I would love to know if my logic is flawed.