10.1 Speed Not Acceptable

[mindbend]

I'm glad that everyone is happy with X. I really am. One day, I will also be excited about it. But, you see, I make a living off of the efficiency at which I can work. OS X simply doesn't cut it, yet.

My own suspicions are that Apple is purposely keeping X in the hefty requirements arena so they can sell more boxes. They are in the hardware biz after all. I have no evidence of this.

I will refrain from further comment until I reinstall it (clean install if you will) tomorrow. At that point I will either admit I was wrong or I will challenge people to provide examples of how OS X is faster than 9. (Faster, not more stable. I've got OS 9 running rock solid, so stability isn't issue. I need speed, dudes.)

[Abakadoosh]

ok, ill give ya speed, but i dont know if this applies to all. I have an old sawtooth, g4 400 single, ya know, the old g4. anyways, ive added some memory over time and now have 704 megs of ram. im thinkin, "this 'll do me". well, i was running os 9 at the time. now, im not agreeing with mindbend over here, but! it almost seems as if 704 wont be suffient. my dad just told me, i think it was yesterday, that he read somewhere that classic, when booted, is automatically given a gig of ram! all on its own. well, 704 just isnt enough for a system that requires 128 min, then adds a gig for Classic. so if your running classic mindben, bendming, or whatever the hell your name is, then JUST RUN OS 9!!! if all of your apps work better in it, THEN JUST RUN IT! not like its ganna kill you! after all, all the major apps are mostly still beta's any ways.

hmm... i seem to have taken several turns in this post.... anyways, what i was originally ganna talk about, is that many of my apps start and work faster than os 9 ever did! internet explorer, dont even try comparing it to the os 9 version, the os x one will shred it! most of the time it doesnt even take me one freaken bounce to start IE. sure some things are slow, and window resizing still isnt really worth it, but take a look at your memory and cpu usage sometime, and you'll see why your counting bounces.

[username]

Originally posted by whitesaint
But it's fast enough to blow Winblows out the window.

That was funny, but not true.

[jabhome]

The speed difference I experienced on my icebook was phenomenal after I did a clean install. The upgrad just did not cut it. The one thing I will agree with that Mind Bend mentioned was resizeing windows. Finder resizing is smooth as silk for me, but IE it a bitch. I too can grab a bite to eat before IE catches up. In fact all of my browsers are a little slow when it comes to window resizing. The rest of my apps and especially the finder resizing is a joy, comparable to Windows and OS9.

[ezra]

Originally posted by mindbend
Jadey,

With all due respect, seriuosly, I've tried and seen 10.0.4 on several machines, none of which even come close to being describable as "smooth". Are you serious? I'm not trying to be a smart-ass.

Some things are indeed glass-smooth, such as moving windows around. That's wonderful. But resizing them is a total joke. Are we comparing Apples to Apples (no pun intended)? Also, window nav drop-downs are slow, and so is almost everything else. I'm currently creating an Excel spreadsheet documenting application launch times, file open speed, in-app speed and other info. Suffice it say that OS X has not beaten OS 9 in one single category.

I've heard talk of people getting better speed doing fresh clean installs, perhaps I should do the same. I'm not holding my breath though. It seems clear to me that OS X users do not have the same critical standards that I have. If I move a mouse cursor around the screen and the graphic/window/icon/whatever can't keep up, that equals slow. Period. This is 2001 for crying out loud.

I highly recommend you do the clean install, it's sounds like that is your problem. I've done many different installs on several machines, and you do get bad installs sometimes. I've had a G4 733 running slower than a G3 333, so it does happen, probably more that it should. A stock 450MHz machine with OpenGL support should be redrawing just as fast as your OS9.

[Aussie John]

let us know if that fixes it

[legacyb4]

Not too sure why you are having so many problems, but I did a clean install on a G4/400 AGP with (now) 512MB RAM and so far, the system feels pretty happy.

Sure, there is a Finder-level slowdown compared to OS 9 or a Windows box (I've got a Windows 2000 server sitting under my desk as well), but guess what? The minute I got my hands on this used G4, I feel no urge to flick my monitor switcher to the PC unless I have to adjust some server setting!

I'm the system admin for a 8 server, 35 client Windows startup and I still am happiest sitting in front of a Mac; call me a die-hard, but OS X is a real joy to use and I only hope it gets better.

Cheers.

[chris v]

Happy with speed here, too.

I'm running most of my main apps (Adobe) in classic, still, and it's running just the same as OS 9 did, with one major ecxeption-- NO CRASHES! I booted into OS X on Wednesday afternoon, launched classic, (G4 450 AGP) and my machine's been up since then, without even any apps locking up, much less the whole system.

When you factor in 2 to 4 cold restarts a day, at five minutes each, I can tolerate the occasional slow finder window. It's not like I sit around and resize windows all day, anyway. Column view is about instant for me, and apps launch as fast as they did under 9.

But then, I also did a complete low-level reformat before installing 9.2.1 & X. I also ran disk warrior and rebuilt the directories after I installed 9.2, but before I installed X. I think this may have significantly sped up Classic launch time, as Classic mode starts up in just over 30 seconds, now.

My one big complaint? Bring back the Users and Groups control panel!

CV (MacNN refugee)