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i'll have to check that out. for my project, i decided to go with gl on os 9 for now, but in the future, i'd like to play with quartz.

is it possible to write a c++ carbon app that uses quartz for drawing in os x? i can get c++ to work fine, but i can't seem to find a non-cocoa way of getting a context for a window. anyone have any ideas here? - bob.