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one more quick completely unrelated question. Why cant I move some of my menubar icons with apple+drag, a lot of my downloaded menubar apps are locked down

wow great, that worked. I had tried that once before for countdown using dockless and the menubar icon dissapeared as well as the dock icon, but i just tried it again for xmenu and countdown and restarted, they appear in the menubar but not in the dock, thank you!!

ok so basically it just wont pop up as a window on login, gotcha.

By the way, when I go to system preference>accounts>login items, why does the checkbox labeled hide not do anything. What is that box supposed to do? hide the apps from the dock or what? because I don't notice it doing anything.

well thanks mikuro, but i think that kind of defeats the purpose of what I'm trying to do. Im trying to specifically limit the applications to the menubar and take them out of the dock, but that code will erase it from both dock and menubar. So I guess theres no other way to keep an app only in...

I have some menubar applications that when opened, appear also as open applications on the dock. Is there any way to hide open applications from the dock? I want these applications to launch on startup but not display in the dock, only the menubar. Thanks in advance for any response.