Benchmarks! Duel/Single G5 slowest? Blame on Jaguar?

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The German article is only half-of-it. You have to buy the c't magazine in order to read the full article. And: You have to always read c't articles in order to understand what was tested, how and why. They're quite thorough. However: We all know that Panther is going to change some results. However, Windows XP will also appear in a 64bit edition at a later point in time. So we might never have a clean base for the tests (as Panther is not going to be fully 64bit, either).
What c't tests is the current state of 64bit desktop machines with currently available operating systems and compilers.

But what do we really know? Chances are that in January we'll see updated PowerMac G5s at 2.5 GHz (3 GHz are 'promised' for Summer 2004 by Steve Jobs!) and maybe even the first Panther update with G5 optimisation on its way. We'll see. The article doesn't get me all messed up. It's great to see the highend Macs keeping up with the PCs. We've been too far behind in the (recent) past. Now it's different. If Apple gives the middle machine dual processors, I'll be happier. ;-)
 
....lol, reminds of when the P4 first came out and all the 'tards were bitching about it being slower than the PIII before the apps were optimized. Then, once they were recompiled with the proper flags, they stomped the PIII.

Wow, look, all these G4 optimized apps don't run so hot on a G5!!!

Keep your panties on.
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My sentiments exactly. ::ha::

I don't know why everybody makes a big deal about benchmarks... the only people who should make a big deal about benchmarks are the people who run benchmarks for a living. I mean, come on—it's not like you'll be sitting there counting the frames or the clock cycles of your computer while it's working. Benching is good for theoretical speed, but it doesn't take into account practical issues like ease of use. It's like saying, "My car's turbo injection is stronger than yours!" or "My speakers are louder than yours!" or "My hair drier is hotter than yours!" Sure, that may be true, but in the end it's about how well it gets the job done. Between a turbocharged Ford Escort and a plain-vanilla BMW, I'd take the beemer any day.
 
You're right arden... Although I think a hotter hairdryer in fact _is_ better to a certain extent. Don't want to dry long hair with a 'cool' hairdryer. ;-)

And the car-comparisons somehow always turn into flamewars of their own...

My stance here is that benchmarking is a thing of people who always want the fastest newest bestest & cheapest computer in the world. I'm just not like that. I want a computer that I can work on for a couple of months at least, but I rather work on in longer than a year. And the computer should still turn my work into a satisfying task at the time when I sell it and buy a new one.

As soon as your computer is older than a few months, those benchmarks of new computers (that you probably _DON'T_ buy) stop to matter totally.

I guess it's a bit of a Mac-thing™, too, but my Mac is my companion in work. "It" writes my stories with me. And it helps me design my books and the websites. My work is better when my computer is 'better', and this does not have anything to do with terms like SPECint or SPECfp. It has to do with instant-wake-from-sleep, however, and with not-having-to-check-the-security-websites etc.

Let's take a short ride into two authors' workdays... (sorry for the longish post... Just ignore the rest of it, if you want to.)

Wintel User
Joe gets up at 9 AM, starts up his PC, which is powered by an Athlon 64 3200+ processor. It's a very fast processor, although it's running at a mere 2.2 GHz, not as the label implies at 3.2 GHz. After pushing the power-on button, Joe goes take a shower, makes himself a cuppa coffee and sits down in front of the computer. Something with the boot process of Windows XP 64bit Beta is still not working right, but after a few clicks on 'Cancel' buttons, Joe is greeted by a nice desktop image and a green button with the word 'Start' in large, friendly white letters. Word XP starts up in no time, which is great. The blinking cursor invites Joe to start writing a new story, and just as Joe has written the first paragraph, a window pops up and invites him to chat with S.Y.L.V.I.A, a 19 year old 'friend' from Germany that wants to show him her new sleeping room, where she has installed a webcam now. She and her girl-friends are partying right now, and he surely wants to join them, right? Even before Joe can click the 'X' of the dialog box (he knows that clicking 'okay' won't do any good to his computer), the weekly virus scan kicks in and slows the computer down, but Joe can't interrupt the process, as he's a bit afraid of all those new viruses he's heard about.

Fryke
Fryke gets up at 10 AM and takes a shower. He makes himself a cup of coffee and sits down at his desk. He opens the lid of the iBook and is welcomed by the last paragraph of the story he's been writing late last night. He hasn't got an idea for the ending yet. He closes the lid of the iBook, disconnects the power cord, packs the iBook into the nice black leather Targus notebook bag and heads off to the café, where he gets the best ideas. He again opens the iBook, and suddenly he knows how to end that story. And, of course, he can start to write only half a second after opening the lid. He saves the story, closes the window, opens a new one and closes the iBook again. Time for a refreshing drink.
 
Hey, I don't use a PC, I have an iMac in my room and I use the family G3. And I usually get up at 9:30 or 11:30, depending on what I've got going on. :)

I find that the majority of what I do I can do quite well on 400 Mhz or slower G3 computers. My iMac is 400 Mhz and this computer is 233 Mhz, and both run Photoshop very well. I'm not working with huge 2000x2000 pixel images, but even if I were I'm sure PS would still work like a charm, just a bit slower... and this is all in OS 9. Sure, I would love a G5 with OS X 10.3 and this and that, but these computers suit my purposes quite well as it seems to be.
 
"Wintel User
Joe gets up at 9 AM, starts up his PC, which is powered by an Athlon 64 3200+ processor. It's a very fast processor, although it's running at a mere 2.2 GHz, not as the label implies at 3.2 GHz. After pushing the power-on button, Joe goes take a shower, makes himself a cuppa coffee and sits down in front of the computer. Something with the boot process of Windows XP 64bit Beta is still not working right, but after a few clicks on 'Cancel' buttons, Joe is greeted by a nice desktop image and a green button with the word 'Start' in large, friendly white letters. Word XP starts up in no time, which is great. The blinking cursor invites Joe to start writing a new story, and just as Joe has written the first paragraph, a window pops up and invites him to chat with S.Y.L.V.I.A, a 19 year old 'friend' from Germany that wants to show him her new sleeping room, where she has installed a webcam now. She and her girl-friends are partying right now, and he surely wants to join them, right? Even before Joe can click the 'X' of the dialog box (he knows that clicking 'okay' won't do any good to his computer), the weekly virus scan kicks in and slows the computer down, but Joe can't interrupt the process, as he's a bit afraid of all those new viruses he's heard about. "

You never tried Windows XP 64bit beta, and you dont know how it performs. In fact, there is a review of it with a opteron based processor. Nothing happened as you foolishly think as to happen. Performed pretty well, basing on the review.

Once again, very unappriopriate and biased stereotypical assumptions.

Last time I was hit by a virus was 1990, which was cleaned in 5mins.

All antivirus programs have shield protectors these days, there is no way you can get a virus in your computer, unless you are stupid. The performance difference is negligable with only taking 8megs of ram.

It's a good thing that at least members spymac.com are not as stubborn and childish as some members here.
 
Yeah! What a nice 64 bit of Windows XP:
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,1276887,00.asp

Still, a long way to go...

As for viruses, I guess that you aren't all those thousands of people that get hosed from viruses... And guess what? Viruses aren't targeting you but other as well... Now, if you want to call all those thousands stupids, go ahead and be my guest... Personally, I would not call them that :rolleyes:

As for this:
"It's a good thing that at least members spymac.com are not as stubborn and childish as some members here."
Were you writing this while you were close to a mirror or something? :rolleyes:

Oh, well, I guess you cannot even understand the humor of Fryke or others around here because if you did you would not quote him at all... :p
 
Originally posted by OSX-Devlinite
... there is no way you can get a virus in your computer, unless you are stupid.
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That sure says something about Windows users. :D

:rolleyes:

Hows your friends feet doing?
 
State of Department should hire OSX-Devlinite because he should not let any viruses get in there :p

http://news.com.com/2100-7349_3-5081360.html

A piece from there:
"A computer virus hit the State Department on Tuesday, affecting the performance of the government's IT system that manages visa approvals, according to published reports."
 
Every argument has a personal bias in it. It is unavoidable.
I don't think fryke was generalizing that all wintel user's will run into this problem, but from his experience perhaps it happens all the time.
In my opinion Windows XP is a stable machine when the user keeps it up to date and doesn't allow rogue programs to take over. But, it still has accomplished multitasking even close to Mac OS X Jaguar.
When i scan in pictures from Adobe Photoshop, burn them to a cd, and watch a dvd and don't expect delay especially from a 2.2 ghz processor whatever its make. Yet it happens, this is where my dissapointment comes in.

I do not own a Power Mac G5 so i could not compare Benchmark's with you. I have almost the same model as Arden and the machine works for me.

I ask you, do you ever read the articles where Intel and AMD blame Microsoft for not having a 64 bit OS already? Maybe you should address these issues instead of posting slander.
 
Windows 64 bit beta has been released on MSDN sites...

AMD is actually happy with MS till now for making SPECIAL edition of 64bit just for amd cpus.

That's quite a dedication...

I never seen 1 article that an AMD spokesmen was angry about this...

Panther OS for G5 isnt out either... So what was your argument?
 
I was under the assumption that the benchmark debate was over.

I am blaming my craptacular web browsing experience on you OSX-Devlinite. You slow me down and i can't process sentences as fast.
 
Originally posted byApeintheShell
I am blaming my craptacular web browsing experience on you OSX-Devlinite. You slow me down and i can't process sentences as fast.
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Hehe... same here.
 
to arden: "oops, you did it again!" ;-)

Thanks hulkaros for clarifying about the 'humour' part. Guess it didn't arrive over there at devlinite's part.

Btw.: I'm using WinXP from time to time on my PC (see signature), and I don't have that many viri on that computer. Of course it's protected by NAV (version 2004, btw., which I think is a dumb version number for an application released in 2003), but that doesn't mean anything if a new virus appears. Many people are connected to the 'net 24/7, and if a worm tries a security hole in Windows before the computer is secured, the computer is affected. Happened to thousands of our customers (working for an ISP). We had calls from Mac users asking what all the fuss was about!

Devlinite: Whether you personally ever had problems with viri on your PC or not, you can't deny the numbers. 74'000 viri written for Windows, 0 for Mac OS X. You can argue all you want, even if you bring down the first number to 200 (which you can't): 200/0 still gives infinity. I.e.: You _do_ have virus problems on Windows, you _don't_ on a Mac. I rest my case.
 
You do have all the latest games on PC.

You do have all the latest apps on PC. And no Mac doesnt have what PC has... Autocad anyone?

You do have the latest technology on PC. Bluetooth just got out for Mac. And btw, the new BT mouse sucks ass.

Logitech provides a rechargeable BT mouse and the charging adapter is a BT hub. THATS INNOVATION. Not a 1 button battery needing mouse.

The only innovative thing apple has done since the new Imac is hmmm nothing in the computer sector.

Unless you call that big pc like tower with a new IBM processor cause motorola couldnt deliver after 4 years of slow crap, that doesnt even beat the current pcs, isnt what I call innovation.

Simply many people here are getting fooled that innovation means looking cute.

Mac OSX does have viruses, but there arent many that are worm like, nor does anyone care to make one for an OS thats market share is irrelevant.

Windows Update always has the latest updates for windows, you simply put on automatic, and it downloads all the critical patches.

If you won't patch your OS, that isnt MS problem, its your responsibility. The latest virus problem was already patched 2 months ago... but no one downloaded the updates. So they pay the price. I still believe whoever does get a virus these days is stupid.

Either they clicked on an .exe saying click me in their email, or simply to lazy to patch their computers or install an anti virus program.

Even that lazy problem is being solved in Longhorn, by MS integrating a built in Antivirus program.

And btw, already read 6 posts about G5s that didnt boot during arrival. So much for quality control.

And new OSX update was recalled because it screwed up many ppls computers.

I dont put these things against Apple, you simply force me to put down apple with your nonesense allegience talks.

I rest my case...pffff
 
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