Get a PowerBook 17" for $2739

jeb1138

Carioca
This isn't new news, and I'm sure that many here already know about it, but it's only been going on since 1999 (I believe) and I'd guess that there are quite a few that don't -- I didn't until my friend told me.

*Note* this is not the same as educational discount pricing.*

If you are a student and are over 18 you can get a one-time MAJOR discount on Apple hardware. Sign up for a one-year Student Developer membership for $99 and you get a once-in-a-lifetime (literally) major discount like those shown below on a single Apple CPU. If you buy a CPU you can get any number of peripherals in the same order at major discounts as well (but only one of each peripheral).

Examples: iPod for $239, Airport Extreme Base Station for $159 and $199, etc.

Premier developer memberships (which anyone can get, I believe) provide the exact same discounts and can be used multiple times, but premier memberships cost thousands of dollars ($3500 right now) per year. There's also an option for "select" developer memberships (which cost $500 per year currently) but you can only get it after going into your second year.

Anyway, for any student out there drooling over the new TiBooks (or anything else), this might help bring things even closer to the right price range. I just got ordered the "Ultimate" 17" PowerBook for $2639 plus $100 for the one-year membership. Can't wait! :)

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Go here and click on the big ADC banner to browse all the great prices for US developers:
http://developer.apple.com/membership/usa.html

Go here to read more about the student developer program for all countries:
http://developer.apple.com/students/sthardware.html
 
I understand your wanting to tell others about ADC, but not in this way. I am an ADC member and greatly appreciate the discount, but I value the membership more. The tools and value of it are priceless. I just hope you don't consider it as a discount pb and blow a good thing for others.
 
Originally posted by leadfootedfool
I am an ADC member and greatly appreciate the discount, but I value the membership more. The tools and value of it are priceless. I just hope you don't consider it as a discount pb and blow a good thing for others.

"Blow a good thing for others"? Huh? It's Mac-buying time (or at least the time to want to buy a Mac) right now so I thought I'd emphasize the Mac-buying benefits of an ADC membership. I don't think that qualifies as "blowing" it for others, does it? If it's offensive I'm sorry and please let me know how, but I really don't see how this is blowing anything. Do you think this is something Apple wants to keep hidden or something and I'm revealing it to the world? Apple wants student developers, and giving them good discounts is a great way to draw them in, is it not? You still get all the benefits of a membership, such as the monthly mailings, and you can continue to be a member for as long as you are a student, so how is that blowing it? I haven't gotten to enjoy the benefits yet as I just signed up, but I'm looking forward to using them on my new PB. Is that wrong?

No hard feelings please, I just don't understand. I'll edit out that last line, which I meant as a joke, if that's what you're referring to. Is it?
 
The ADC isn't a secret at all. I'm just saying don't join it just to save some money on purchasing a new comp. It's meant to be a program where you contribute something back to Apple hence making their investment of discounting hardware/software worthwhile, not for someone who is just going to surf and have a cool new comp.
 
I think its a great opportunity to get a Mac but at the same time it would be unfortunate if Apple was to cancel the program because it decided people were abusing it and signing up for all the wrong reasons.
 
OK leadfootedfool (um, it feels weird calling you that in a debatish-like conversation, but I guess jeb1138 ain't much better ;)), fair enough. You see it as an investment Apple is making in students with the expectation that that the students will 'pay it back' in good faith. And if a lot of students abuse Apple's trust by taking the discount but not paying them back then the program would be terminated for not being a profitable venture and future students who really are into development wouldn't get the opportunity to use the great discount. Is that about right?

Interesting! That would make for a fun philosophical debate, in my opinion. It's been my experience that other people aren't nearly as interested in such debates as I am, especially in a setting like our beloved MacOSX.com. Maybe 'cause it's too hard to keep out the fight-pickers.

But I'll still say a few things anyway... :D

I think Apple is very well aware of who can and is likely to sign up for their programs and what their return on their investment is likely to be, and I think they're perfectly happy with it.

They've made it very easy for students to sign up and take advantage of their generous offer because they see enrollment in the developer program as a vehicle to not only snag but to create student developers (many of whom who may not even realize they're very interested in developing when they sign up) and they (Apple) see the discount as the bait, not the reward.

It's a risk and a venture for both the student and for Apple. Apple says, "here, have a little taste of this, it's on the house." Apple offers aware of the risk that the free (or discounted) sampling might not get the student hooked, and the student accepts aware (well at least he should be aware) that if he gets addicted he will be indentured to a life of mac evangelism, development of freeware, shareware and/or commercialware for a living, and at the very least an addiction to expensive PowerBooks and iPods for the rest of his life :D, all of which increase Apple's marketshare.

If Apple hadn't offered, the potentially-hooked student might have been sucked into the vortex of another PC manufacturer and all his digital pleasures would be purchased at the benefit of a different computer company. If the student hadn't accepted he would have missed a chance to get a great deal and get out scot free!

If you're sure that you won't get hooked (or if you already are! :D) then take the bait! Apple's willing to bet you're wrong and they're more than willing to take the loss when you're not. They don't require or expect you to already be a developer or be committed to becomming one. Just enough interest to enter the program is all they require, and they say so. Says Apple,
"whether you're just beginning to explore programming on the Mac or considering a career as a Macintosh developer, the ADC Student Program is right for you!"

And as if this weren't enough, they make clear the only requirements for becoming a student developer and taking advantage of the benefits they offer:
"To be eligible for the ADC Student Program, you must be currently enrolled as a part-time or full-time student at a college or university, have a student identification number, and be at least 18 years of age."

Nothing in there about swearing your life, liberty and worldly wealth away to Apple. Just that you're really a real student at a really real university with an honest-to-goodness ID number, enough years under your belt to be eligible to get sued and the risk that you'll eventually sign away everything to Apple voluntarily! Hm?

Whaddya'll think?
 
I agreee with MOST of what you said and I too like to engage in a good old debate now and then but I have a cold and a pounding headache.

I never mentioned anything about becoming an identured servant, just about sparking your interest in developing on a mac.

Straight from the student adc page

"Apple has a variety of resources to help students get started with developing software and hardware. The Apple Developer Connection Student Program is a low-cost membership program, providing tools and special discounts for students 18 or over interested in developing for the Mac platform. "


"Some of the best Macintosh application development has come from students like you, creative young programmers with a desire to change the world. All you need are the tools and the technical resources to get started--without the high prices.

That's why we've designed an affordable developer program (only US$99/year), making it easy for students around the world to learn how to develop on the Macintosh platform. So, whether you're just beginning to explore programming on the Mac or considering a career as a Macintosh developer, the ADC Student Program is right for you!

Specially designed for the Student developer"

If you're just a college student looking for a new comp, thats what the educational discounts are for.
 
:) Indentured servitude is what I say the risk of becoming addicted to the mac is! :)

Hope you're feeling better! Guess the nice thing about forums is that I can't catch anything from you! ;) Really though, I hope you feel better soon.

I think I agree with most of what you are saying as well. Where we differ is on Apple's intent for the program, is it not? I think the evidence you provided points directly to my view of Apple's intent. Without a member of Apple management on hand to prove that I'm right ;), however, the only sure way to be sure one is 'following the right path' is to make sure that one is strictly, completely, and honestly following all legal and binding requirements for the discount, which Apple has explained in very clear terms on their website and which I quoted above: To be a student at a real university and be over 18. That's all they require, and is what one should concern oneself with in order to make sure one remains an honest and upstanding citizen of the world and member of the Mac community.

If we want to get into whether honestly following those guidelines could ultimately destroy the program, then I think we'll have to contact a higher-up in the Apple educational developer program and ask him to explain in more detail what their intent is. I'm absolutely positive that they would not like to have to offer this discount at all. As nice and cool as Jobs and every other Apple employee may be, Corporate Apple is a corporate entity and is responsible to the shareholders for turning a profit. There are three classes of people who will take advantage of this discount, and Apple really only wants to make this offer to one of them. They are:

1. Students who will take advantage of this offer yet would become an Apple developer regardless of the discount.
2. Students who will take advantage of this offer and will end up becoming an Apple developer because of this of this discount, and would not have otherwise.
3. Students who will take advantage of this offer and will not end up becoming an Apple developer, regardless of the discount.

Apple obviously only wants to have to lose potential profits on students who would not otherwise become developers. All Corporate Apple really cares about with regard to students is making their path point toward Apple, because after graduation it quickly becomes exponentially unlikely that they will or can change career paths. Not impossible, but much, much more difficult and unlikely as time goes on.

If you really wanted to make sure the program remained in place then, you would try to convince as many dedicated student programmers and developers as possible not to take advantage of the discount. You would tell them as emphatically as possible to pay $100 for the membership and mailings but not take advantage of the offer. Because if too many Apple-dedicated (type-1) students take advantage of the discount the program will not be profitable and will be discontinued. Offering such a discount to type-1 students simply isn't profitable.

I think you have to be fair: If you want to preserve the program by discouraging students of type-3, then you also need to discourage students of type-1.

The problem, however, with discouraging any student at all from taking advantage of the offer is not only that you may be wrong about which type of student he is, but that the student himself may be wrong about which type of student he is. (I use he/himself/he of course, with a he/she meaning.) Even if a student is studying law, foreign language, or medicine, any of these and most any major can be applied to development on the Mac in one way or another, and as a student in college (in the US at least) there is always a very good opportunity and very good probability that a student will change majors at least a couple times, or even completely switch fields in grad school. Very often students (and everyone else) don't know what they really want to do until they are given the tools and a chance to try it out. Thus Apple's desire to get as many students as possible a Mac and monthly mailing of development tools.

I'm helping Apple by posting in this manner because it will result (as their program was intended) to put the tools in the hands of a lot of people who are in the right time of life to be able to change their minds about what they want to do. Browsing these forums (especially Mac News & Rumors) is enough evidence that a student has enough interest in the Mac to consider working for development on the Mac in one form or another. Even, or especially if the student himself doesn't think he is really interested. All the more reason for Apple to give him a great discount and monthly mailings! The student gets to try out the computer no strings attached and gets monthly mailings to provide the rest of the tools he needs to try it out for himself.

As you said, this is not aimed to be like the normal educational discount. This is a one time shot (not once per year or once per membership -- it's once per life) meant as bait for those in their moldable years. Even those who do end up sticking around as developers will have to use the normal educational discount for their purchases, and that's what the educational discount is there for. Both discounts have their role to play for every student.

I don't think we should start mass mailing university students about the deal or submitting it to dealmac.com to publish for bargain hunters. Apple doesn't advertise it in that way and I don't think we should. I do think word of mouth between students mutually interested in the Mac is a way in which Apple inteded it to spread, whether they're in the same classroom or different countries.

If you're still in college and interested in the Mac enough to be in this forum then, whether you realize it or not (Apple does), you have the potential and a reasonable chance of leaning or changing your career path toward one that heads in the Mac development path. So buy the Mac at the right price! You might be sure that you'll never develop for the Mac, but haven't we all been sure about a lot of things that we weren't so sure about later? Apple's willing to bet that a one-time offer like this stands a good chance of influencing you to head down their path. Take them up on it and see what happens. At the very least you'll get a good price on a great Mac.
 
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