I did it! Bill would be proud! - My 2 cents

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I can't help but post this even though the thread has been closed - so my apologies to moderators and viewers.

I started a post regarding that I finally caved in and bought my first PC to have more access to software that tends to be PC only.

I even said it wasn't Apple's fault, and I blamed poor support from companies such as Macromedia as one of the contributing factors.

I hadn't checked the post in some time, and when I did - I discovered that I was met with comments such as "uhhh you're lame".

I have been an Apple user since my first Apple IIC, and have loved every Mac I have owned. My loyalty to the Apple and Mac brand is not in question.

Apple makes great products.

Great industrial design.

Great marketing.

I only hope to improve Apple and Macs in general by pointing out my reasons for getting a PC in hopes that somehow my situation can be rectified in the future, without having to resort to buying a product I hadn't ever really wanted to.

Try to keep a more open mind. Isn't that what Mac users are all about!

slo

To see the whole mess, go to:

http://www.macosx.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32285&highlight=bill+would+be+proud
 
I hadn't seen the other post, but I have recently had to do the opposite as you.

I've been a PC user for many years, including a software developer for 8 years or so.

I'm quite happy with PC's but needed a system for digital video editing and this is the one arena that the PC isn't up as much as Mac.

One thing to keep in mind though is the market share. If a company is going to spend the time developing software they should produce it for the market that will stand to give them the most profit. PC's are the majority of the market share out there so that makes perfect sense for a business.

There are somethings that I like more about the Mac and somethings I like more about Windows. I find that the GUI is easier and more intuitive. Having to go through the Finder to get to most of your apps isn't really that convenient, the Start Menu is much more convenient.

Hardware expansion is easier on the Mac, but they kind of blew it with the number of USB ports on the system. Two is just not enough on the system itself. Yes Apple says how they have four USB ports on G4's but when the keyboard and mouse take two of those are not available. My PC has 6 USB ports available on it (4 USB1 and 2 USB2).

Your one comment about Mac users being open minded kind of surprises me though. Out of any computer system users the Mac users in general have been the most close minded that I've dealt with (out of PC, Unix, Mac, etc).

Edit:
Just started reading that other post. The stuff that you are needing to do on the PC is where the PC excels past Mac. Development, databases, backend stuff and so on are where the pc beats the Mac hands-down. Graphics and multimedia is where the Mac excels.

The responses that the people are listing are the type of arrogant close-minded people I was referring to. It sounds like most of them don't use or have never used a PC. If they had they would know that Windows XP and Windows 2000 are quite stable. Where I used to work we had Windows systems that stay up and running longer than Unix systems which were constantly having issues.

Some of the statements that those people made were just plain ignorant (even some of the moderators were making ignorant statements).
 
Originally posted by hulkaros
...open minded people like:

mmartian
&
slo

Welcome... :p :D :rolleyes:
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In what way is slo not open minded? He had to get something done, the Mac was not the best solution, Wintel was. He has a very valid point (and so does mmartian in a way), often times any negative comments about the Mac coupled with positive comments about Wintel leads to criticism, not based on the validity of the content, but primarily focused on the perceived "anti-Mac"'ness of the post. You and I have gone around in circles about this ourselves.

Now perhaps a point can be made that slo didn't need to post his original comments to begin with. But I would surely hope that this board isn't just about holding hands and blowing sunshine up each others butts. When a Mac user has an issue, they should feel free to express themselves (even if it includes positive speak about other platforms) without having everyone coming out of the woodwork and calling them trolls or lamers.

So to try to get this back sorta on topic. slo needed to get some db work done, the Mac didn't cut it for him, so he had to use a Wintel box. I don't remember from the original thread, but if anyone out there who's done any extensive corp/enterprise level db work on the Mac can chime in about alternatives on the Mac that slo may not have known about. Perhaps slo can provide some more detail about what he was trying to do, then others more knowledgeable could chime in.

Perhaps if we can get this thing going in a more positive direction, this thread would actually be better suited for the development forum (or perhaps he's already tried there, came up empty, and thus the impetus for his original post?).
 
There are somethings that I like more about the Mac and somethings I like more about Windows. I find that the GUI is easier and more intuitive. Having to go through the Finder to get to most of your apps isn't really that convenient, the Start Menu is much more convenient.

Going through the Finder isn't necessary. Just drag the Applications folder to your dock. Right click or Control click the Application icon in your dock and it's the same as the Start menu. All programs available this way.

Hardware expansion is easier on the Mac, but they kind of blew it with the number of USB ports on the system. Two is just not enough on the system itself. Yes Apple says how they have four USB ports on G4's but when the keyboard and mouse take two of those are not available. My PC has 6 USB ports available on it (4 USB1 and 2 USB2).

Agreed, but a hub is a very simple solution to a minor problem like this. I have more than 4 USB devices connected, so I would need a hub anyway.

Your one comment about Mac users being open minded kind of surprises me though. Out of any computer system users the Mac users in general have been the most close minded that I've dealt with (out of PC, Unix, Mac, etc).

I think a lot of Mac users can be close minded. Those of us that use both platforms are a little more open minded. But the Mac crowd in general sees the PC as a second class computer. Just the Mac cult thing, people devoted to Macs. You have to take what some say with a grain of salt, for the most part just ignore them rather than let a flame war start.

On my PC, it came with WindowsME, always crasing. Installed 2000P and never had a crash or any problems with it. It now has WindowsXP on it and it's the best PC system I've used. I never shut it off and it hasn't given me any problems. I wouldn't switch to PC's but need one for some things. I've been a Mac user sunce the IIsi came out and have 5 Macs now, just one PC.
 
Originally posted by binaryDigit
In what way is slo not open minded? He had to get something done, the Mac was not the best solution, Wintel was. He has a very valid point (and so does mmartian in a way), often times any negative comments about the Mac coupled with positive comments about Wintel leads to criticism, not based on the validity of the content, but primarily focused on the perceived "anti-Mac"'ness of the post. You and I have gone around in circles about this ourselves.

Now perhaps a point can be made that slo didn't need to post his original comments to begin with. But I would surely hope that this board isn't just about holding hands and blowing sunshine up each others butts. When a Mac user has an issue, they should feel free to express themselves (even if it includes positive speak about other platforms) without having everyone coming out of the woodwork and calling them trolls or lamers.

So to try to get this back sorta on topic. slo needed to get some db work done, the Mac didn't cut it for him, so he had to use a Wintel box. I don't remember from the original thread, but if anyone out there who's done any extensive corp/enterprise level db work on the Mac can chime in about alternatives on the Mac that slo may not have known about. Perhaps slo can provide some more detail about what he was trying to do, then others more knowledgeable could chime in.

Perhaps if we can get this thing going in a more positive direction, this thread would actually be better suited for the development forum (or perhaps he's already tried there, came up empty, and thus the impetus for his original post?).
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Go BinaryDigit... Go BinaryDigit... Go!

You're the man! You're the man! Go!

:D
 
Nobody ever called slo close-minded...

I just hope c3llf1sh (of course, he doesn't have numbers, but whatever) doesn't get involved in this post because it will just degenerate into a flaming shit war.
 
Originally posted by bobw
Going through the Finder isn't necessary. Just drag the Applications folder to your dock. Right click or Control click the Application icon in your dock and it's the same as the Start menu. All programs available this way.

I think a lot of Mac users can be close minded. Those of us that use both platforms are a little more open minded. But the Mac crowd in general sees the PC as a second class computer. Just the Mac cult thing, people devoted to Macs. You have to take what some say with a grain of salt, for the most part just ignore them rather than let a flame war start.

On my PC, it came with WindowsME, always crasing. Installed 2000P and never had a crash or any problems with it. It now has WindowsXP on it and it's the best PC system I've used. I never shut it off and it hasn't given me any problems. I wouldn't switch to PC's but need one for some things. I've been a Mac user sunce the IIsi came out and have 5 Macs now, just one PC.
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I will have to try that dock trick with the folders. I had a feeling that there must be a better way than just having a ton of icons on the dock which isn't really a good solution when you have 30 or more apps you use regularly.

This type of stuff is why I started coming to the Mac forums. I'm new to the Mac and need to learn some of these tricks for this platform. I've been using Windows since 3.0 and know tons of tricks there.

You're right about some of those Mac users. It's always the people who use or have used all platforms that know that they all have their place. Anyone who thinks one platform is the best at everything is just plain ignorant.

Windows ME was the biggest pile of junk I had ever used. I tried an early beta of it and it was stable as can be (I had actually upgraded it on Win98 that was running unstable figuring I would be reloading anyways). The beta corrected the instability I was having and ran great for 6 months until the retail version of ME came out. I put the retail on and had nothing but problems. I went back to Win98 and didn't change again until WinXP came out. That has been running great for me.
 
Anything you want to know about customizing OS X or the way it runs, or little tricks, come here and we'll all help you. There are loads. And for a lot of freeware and shareware, go here;
http://www.versiontracker.com
 
Microsoft pulls Windows XP update

Quote: Microsoft said Tuesday it has withdrawn a security update for Windows XP after discovering that it switched off Internet connections for some of the 600,000 users who downloaded and installed it.


aint got time for comments. ive got maths revision. i just posted this for the new pc fans we seem to be getting around here these days :)
 
Originally posted by tsizKEIK
Microsoft pulls Windows XP update

Quote: Microsoft said Tuesday it has withdrawn a security update for Windows XP after discovering that it switched off Internet connections for some of the 600,000 users who downloaded and installed it.


aint got time for comments. ive got maths revision. i just posted this for the new pc fans we seem to be getting around here these days :)
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...we will end up filling thousands of posts pages here in www.macosx.com about Wintel's innovations :p :D ;)

:)

:rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by slo
I can't help but post this even though the thread has been closed - so my apologies to moderators and viewers.

I started a post regarding that I finally caved in and bought my first PC to have more access to software that tends to be PC only.

I even said it wasn't Apple's fault, and I blamed poor support from companies such as Macromedia as one of the contributing factors.

I hadn't checked the post in some time, and when I did - I discovered that I was met with comments such as "uhhh you're lame".

I have been an Apple user since my first Apple IIC, and have loved every Mac I have owned. My loyalty to the Apple and Mac brand is not in question.

Apple makes great products.

Great industrial design.

Great marketing.

I only hope to improve Apple and Macs in general by pointing out my reasons for getting a PC in hopes that somehow my situation can be rectified in the future, without having to resort to buying a product I hadn't ever really wanted to.

Try to keep a more open mind. Isn't that what Mac users are all about!

slo

To see the whole mess, go to:

http://www.macosx.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32285&highlight=bill+would+be+proud
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Did you send any of this to Apple Computer or Macromedia?

for example:

No one expects hulkaros opinion to be broadcasted on fox news as a special report.

But if hulkaros contacted the developers of these products he might have a chance to explain his side and get some answers.
He also might get to be on the news too.

Mac users:

There are several different kind of mac users in this jungle and I think you are generalizing all of us as one mind, one body, one soul!

I have an open mind but i have standards I follow, which happens to use only Apple Macintosh PC's
 
Originally posted by tsizKEIK
i just posted this for the new pc fans we seem to be getting around here these days :)
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Oh yes, this is a real mature way to act. You feel the need to defend your platform by slamming the other one?

Yes, I am a PC fan, but I also have a Mac which I just bought. I also understand how each platform has it's area that it excels in.

As far as the update. Have you ever tried writing software that will work on the millions of different variations that are available for the PC? Yes, millions when you consider the combinations available from the hundreds of different motherboards, cpu's, network cards, etc out there.

I would expect Apple to not have these types of issues when they control the hardware also. Similar to how the game machines have small numbers of bugs.
 
Originally posted by mmartian
Oh yes, this is a real mature way to act. You feel the need to defend your platform by slamming the other one?

Yes, I am a PC fan, but I also have a Mac which I just bought. I also understand how each platform has it's area that it excels in.

As far as the update. Have you ever tried writing software that will work on the millions of different variations that are available for the PC? Yes, millions when you consider the combinations available from the hundreds of different motherboards, cpu's, network cards, etc out there.

I would expect Apple to not have these types of issues when they control the hardware also. Similar to how the game machines have small numbers of bugs.
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Capacitor: a device used to store electrical charge. all capacitros consist of a pair of conducting plates separated by an insulator.

that was a nice physics lesson 4 u ;)

if u want i can paste numerous articles on microsofts mistakes, making fools out of themselves and pulling back updates :) its nice that ur a pc fan, i can laugh @ u :)

anywayz.
microsofts market share is the largest and number of updates needed for all of its software is proportional to the number of users and hardware for its OS :)
thats why microsoft and bill gates has soo much money, and thats why they should make sure that the updates they release work fine.
but i dont really care. just another reason to have fun !!!
 
Just because Apple sells the only hardware that works with its OS does not guarantee that they do not have issues to work out. People do so much stuff to their computers, they add so much and change so much, that it's really hard to account for everything. The thing is that Microsoft has these same problems on a much higher magnitude due to the different basic systems people have.
 
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