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Check out whats in the corner 
http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2007/01/27/business/20070128_BALLMER_SLIDESHOW_8.html
http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2007/01/27/business/20070128_BALLMER_SLIDESHOW_8.html
Bill has always loved his macs
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Well, they _were_ developing software for the Mac back then as well, remember? Excel: First on Mac, for example. So he kinda _would_ have had one, I guess.
Yeah but it's still nice to see the pictures, lol.
And still, Microsoft has to get ideas from Mac.
http://moishelettvin.blogspot.com/2006/11/windows-shutdown-crapfest.html
http://moishelettvin.blogspot.com/2006/11/windows-shutdown-crapfest.html
Well... That article doesn't really talk much about the Mac or that anything was actually taken directly from the Mac. Rather, it talks about how _immensly_ complicated things are in the development process of Windows (Vista in this case). I guess it really shows why (or at least how) things over at MS are so bloated.
It also says that nobody in Microsoft is in charge of design decisions. Their only guide in any particular direction is the Mac that one of the developers owns.
http://www.arno.org/blog/2006/11/design-of-mac-os-x-shutdown-feature.html
Right or wrong, at least at Apple people can impose visions.
http://www.arno.org/blog/2006/11/design-of-mac-os-x-shutdown-feature.html
Right or wrong, at least at Apple people can impose visions.
That's a very old discussion. Both Apple and MS took from Xerox (Apple bought, actually). To say MS stole Windows 1, 2 or 3 from Apple would be a VERY big compliment to Microsoft, seeing how bad it actually was. (And why not sue GEM and others, who much more directly copied Apple...) Apple never won a case against MS because of the Windows GUI. Things were settled "in private", when Steve Jobs brought Bill Gates on the big screen at some MWSF in the late nineties, where MS invested 150 mio $ into Apple, non-voting shares. But those stories have been told a thousand times...
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Thanks for the info fryke. Interesting.
The idea of Icons comes from where? Was that an Apple idea? In a word what was inovative with Apple that changed the way we use computers? I don't follow all these "thousand told" stories, so knuckleheads like me need to be informed. Yet, again. Cheers.
The idea of Icons comes from where? Was that an Apple idea? In a word what was inovative with Apple that changed the way we use computers? I don't follow all these "thousand told" stories, so knuckleheads like me need to be informed. Yet, again. Cheers.
I think icons came from Xerox, but the desktop metaphor and the persistent menu bar were from Apple. The first mice actually had multiple buttons, but that idea was rejected at Apple because it was confusing. For dyslexic people like my father, it's still confusing.
Apple also had innovations like QuickDraw (Windows in the background were restored to their original contents when foreground windows were moved, and there were rounded rectangles and stuff), and the Real Artists Ship thing.
Actually, Xerox got some of their graphical ideas from Engelbart's research (some PARC people were former graduate students), and he got his ideas about having everything connected through such an interface from Vannevar Bush.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8734787622017763097
Also, actually, Apple never won the lawsuit against Microsoft because Gates's clever lawyers inserted a clause into their contract for Office for Mac technically giving them the right to the Macintosh interface, back in the 80s. That case was decided in Microsoft's favor in 1993.
I don't think the patent conflicts went to trial, but they were eventually resolved in the 1997 deal.
Apple also had innovations like QuickDraw (Windows in the background were restored to their original contents when foreground windows were moved, and there were rounded rectangles and stuff), and the Real Artists Ship thing.
Actually, Xerox got some of their graphical ideas from Engelbart's research (some PARC people were former graduate students), and he got his ideas about having everything connected through such an interface from Vannevar Bush.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8734787622017763097
Also, actually, Apple never won the lawsuit against Microsoft because Gates's clever lawyers inserted a clause into their contract for Office for Mac technically giving them the right to the Macintosh interface, back in the 80s. That case was decided in Microsoft's favor in 1993.
I don't think the patent conflicts went to trial, but they were eventually resolved in the 1997 deal.