Canadian Election

markceltic

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I thought I would contribute to the international flavour of these forums by starting a thread on our federal election,set for June 28th.Just how many Canucks are on here to lend their voice to this discussion is another matter.So who knows maybe the rest of ya might learn something about our great land. :D To get the ball rolling I say a change is long overdue in Ottawa!!Lets keep it civil people.
 
NDP all the way. The Liberals are catering to the rich, the Bloc Quebecois are a bunch of extremists, the conservatives are totally catering to the right and don't even try to hide it. The only way you can win is with the NDP.
 
well give the ignorant people from the united states some info.

who's running...?
what are their views...?
where do they come from...?
do they speak french...? (primarily...?)


i am intrigued

(BTW, are Canadians split in to republican and democratic parties like we are?)
 
For Jetwing - my take on the running parties. This is an entirely biased rundown, completely full of opinion...

The Liberals - wishy-washy centre-leftish. Currently have a majority government. Considerably left of US Democrats, on those occasions when you can nail them down. They're under a new leader, Paul Martin (our unelected prime minister), and he seems to be a sort of underground conservative. So, who knows what they'll turn out to be if they're elected.

The Conservatives - a re-alliance of the old Progressive Conservatives and the Canadian Alliance (formerly CCRAP, formerly Reform), who were basically a PC party faction who split because they couldn't handle the 'progressive' part. Mean, nasty right wing, somewhere near the Republicans. If the Liberals lose, they'll probably be the ones to form government.
Side note - I had, until I moved a couple of years ago, the dubious pleasure of being represented by Jim Pankiw, a dreadful racist Reform party member who found even the Reform party too left-wing, left the party, and then wasn't allowed back in...

The New Democrats (NDP) - The social democratic party. By US American standards, they would probably be considerer socialists; by European standards sort of centre-left. I'd love to see them win, but it won't happen this time around (hasn't happened yet, federally). It would be great to see them in opposition though.

The Bloc Quebecois - Quebec separatist party, only run candidates in Quebec. Aside from the separatism, they're relatively left-leaning, somewhere between the NDP and Liberals (I think - I don't live in Quebec or anything...)

And then a variety of small parties - the Green Party (who would have sitting MPs if we actually had direct representation by population; they seem to get about 3-5 % of the vote across the country), the Socialist Party, probably the Communist party, a weirdo Christian fundy party or two.

If we get lucky maybe the Natural Law party will run again. They sure were amusing, especially since the Rhino Party had to disband.
 
More Dumb American questions:

How the hell does your government work, exactly? How representative is it?
How is your main leader (the Prime Minister) selected, exactly?
Is the process as dumb as the US Electoral College?
You guys have CONSERVATIVES up there? Wow. What do you do with them? lol j/k
 
It's a parliamentary system - technically a parliamentary monarchy, since the PM is the head of government, but the queen is the head of state.

We vote for a representative for our riding, who represent that riding as a member of parliament. The leader of the party with the most MPs becomes prime minister. Actually, technically the attorney general, who is the queen's representative in Canada, asks someone to become PM and form a government; needn't be the leader of the party, though practically it always is. So, if a coalition of minority parties forms and manages to get 50% of the house, the attorney general could ask the leader of one of those parties to form a government. Anyway...

From the point of view of who represents each individual riding in parliament, it's direct one-person-one-vote election; no electoral college distortion. But, you do get a lesser form of that distortion across the country - two parties could get the same number of votes nationwide, with very different numbers of MPs. If one party gets 15% of the votes in every single riding, they probably won't get any MPs, whereas if the other gets 50% of the votes in 30% of the ridings and 0 votes in the other 70%, they'd end up with 30% of the MPs. Extreme example, yes, but you get the idea. Also, the ridings are different sizes, so an MP from a very small riding could represent far fewer constituents than one from a very large one.

As a real example of that though - the Liberals right now have an overwhelming majority in parliament, even though they got less than half of votes across the country.

There's some movement toward a more representative form of elections - apparently the province of British Columbia is going to introduce some form of direct representation at the next provincial elections, but that's completely separate from federal elections.

Canada does not have the same degree of separation of powers the US does - the whole "checks and balances" thing. The PM's office holds a whole lot more power in Canada than any single body does in the States. This was actually deliberate - the Canadian constitution was drafted shortly after the US civil war, and the framers wanted to structure things so there would be more central control, in the hopes that conflicts wouldn't get to that point. If anything, the concentration of power in the PMO has gotten more extreme lately, probably far beyond the intentions of the framers.

And yes we do have conservatives; they are the official opposition right now. What we do with them is mostly to vote for them in the country, and for the liberals in the cities. Their power is somewhat exaggerated compared to their real support, because rural ridings tend to have fewer people, so farmers are overrepresented in parliament. And they're not just a little bit conservative, they're reeeally right-wing; very comparable to G. W. Bush-school republicans.
 
Hmm. Add to the list of very minor parties: The Progressive Party of Canada. Fellow just came by to drop off a leaflet. Seems they consider themselves the "progressive" half of the old "progressive conservative" party, that got driven out when the PCs and the reformers rejoined. Far as I can tell, they don't really have a platform, except they'd cut taxes and somehow get us out of debt in 25 years...
 
adambyte said:
More Dumb American questions:


You guys have CONSERVATIVES up there? Wow. What do you do with them? lol j/k
Yes amazing isn't it adambyte we actually have Conservatives up here.We hire them to run our financial institutions so we won't completely bankrupt our country by throwing money at every little thing that comes along, that's what we do with them.
 
.. another dumb comment here. There seems to be some kind of elections coming soon in Ireland too. At least tehre are political advertising everywhere. (Is today a bank holiday in Ireland???)
 
The candidates in our local riding:Jon Carey,Conservative Party probably no relation to Jim. Arthur Bull, NDP with a name like Bull he's perfect for politics.Robert Thibdeau, Liberal Party I hope he can find another job after the election.What's really weird is I haven't seen so much as a leaflet for any of these guys, they're missing in action as far as I can tell :confused:
 
What a disappointing thread this turned out to be!10 replies :eek: I don't know if these are the reasons for such a lack of interest or not but here goes:(1)there aren't enough Canadians on here (2)if there are any they're not old enough to vote (3)apathy (4)too shy to let others know where they stand politically(5)lack of anger towards the elite (6)didn't hear there was election called! I wonder if anybody in the other countries represented here see such a lack of interested people in the political process?BTW the ruling Liberals got reelected, AGAIN!:eek:
 
They tried pretty hard - but still only about 25% of young people voted. They might be delighted with that in the US, but that's just about the lowest rate ever in Canada.

Disappointing thread? How bout a disappointing election...

In Saskatchewan, my home province (though I'm now in the only Alberta riding not represented by a conservative - glad I did vote, it was close) the Conservatives got 42% of the vote, and 92% of the seats. Yuck. In my home riding, Saskatoon-Humboldt, the Conservative won with 27% of the vote. Proportional representation, anyone?
 
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