I re-partitioned my HD and did a fresh install of Panther without enabling journaling. This a less than 1 month old PB (see sig) I did this to try out YDL but alas it's a no go. Anyway now my Panther seems way more snappier and responsive than before. Could this be just because of the journaling being turned off? One other thing I noticed is a lot of crap like trial stuff isn't there anymore, I didn't wan't any of it anyway. I'm wondering if this was actually a fresh Panther install from the factory or a written over Jaguar to save time? How would one know? Either way I'm glad I decided to do this because I'm much happier with the way my Powerbook runs.