Jaguar crashes!

rhinosaur

rhinosaur

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Man, after weeks of uptime in OS X 10.1.2, I install 10.2 and BOOM! Approximately every other day 10.2 just loses it. I'll have seveal apps open, PS, Mail, a browser or two, iTunes, and at some point, one will give me the spinning wheel. After I force quit the offending app, all the others follow in suit. Some will force quit from the "Force Quit" box, others will disappear from the box, but still be active in the dock (I have to force quit from the dock in that case). This happens until I've quit everything down to the Finder. Then it goes as well. No way to relaunch, or anything. I have to force a restart. Kind of a bummer after sailing along for weeks without even a hiccup! Now I have to push the tiny reset button on my mac every other day :(

Anyone else having strange issues like this?
 
Did you do an "upgrade" install to 10.2? This is how I initially started off, and I experienced so many damn kernel panics and freezes it was unbearable.

I reformatted and did one hell of a clean-install (from ABSOLUTE scratch) and haven't seen a problem yet. [Crossing fingers]
 
I did an "Archive and Install" so there's a clean system folder. I guess if the problem persists I can wipe it and start over. But I soooo don't want to have to do that.

thanks.
 
Well, I have done all the above. Including complete full reformat of hard drive and clean installation of 10.2.

Rarely had a crash in 10.1.5 (software only) but since 10.2, system freezes ALL the time (had to do restart 7 times yesterday). Freezing occurs moving windows, or clicking on scroll bars, or just within applications. Have tried deep cleaning caches, and using different browsers, but nothing helps for long. Had heard reports of external Firewire drives causing problems, but this occurs with or without drives.

Will try again to trash finder prefs and repair permissions, but so far, 10.2 has been a real problem for me.

Andrew
 
Sounds like Apple dropped the ball on 10.2.2. I have 10.1.5 on my after market IBM UltraSCSI HD which is where I do most of my computing, and I have 10.2.2 on the OEM IBM 12GB HD. I have to say that 10.1.5 is VERY stable for me except for when the computer is on for 16+ hours, then I get the same effect as mentioned, spinning beach ball, one app closes down and eventually all follow suit.
 
rhinosaur - I feel your pain. I had the same thing happen in 10.2 with my G4 450 - it never ever crashed with 10.1, but daily finder freezes in 10.2. After numerous posts and calls to Apple I had a ton of suggestions, the one that seemed to make the most sense was memory. Apparently 10.2 is a little more picky about your RAM. So, you may have an offending chip or two. Personally, I find the troubleshooting method of pulling various chips to narrow this down (or confirm it at all) to be a real pain in the buttocks, but it may be the only thing you can do and is slightly less a pain than a clean install.

Apple also tried to blame all my 3rd party USB devises, but I don't buy that at all. I reinstalled 10.2 on a new partition and the same problems occured, so I think your install is okay. I sold the G4 450 and now have a new Mac. I'm not sure if the problem was ever resolved, but you might try all the 10.2 upgrades - maybe 10.2.2 will help your issue?
 
I had those problems, i have yet to have my system up for 2 weeks like I had 10.1.3 up. I moved one of my memory chips to the 4th slot and installed another hard drive(not because of the crashes). Since this, i have fewer crashes, but the system is more stable, although it's not super smooth like 10.1.3. 10.2.2 is not as stable as 10.2.1 for me, so i plan on jumping back over the weekend. I innstalled my system over itself and clean installs so many times in a week it is crazy. Not sure what the problem is, but Jag isn't what i thought it would be.
 
I'm not ruling out RAM, but have you run a disk utility? Drive X is sweet. HFS+ is still fragile, even on OS X. It sounds like netinfo is dying on you guys. In which case archiving and installing while preserving the users would bring the problem with you. If NI dies, nothing launches. Anything that asks permission hangs indefinitely.

I've seen little wrong with 10.2 since 10.2.1. Before that I found it a bit twitchy, but it's REAL stable for me now. uptimes equal to the time between restart mandatory software updates. Had one crash while connecting via 56K modem to a faulty modem bank. Had a crash running iTunes on a 233MHz powerbook prior to the updates that said they fixed that. That was a hard lack up instead of a proper kernel panic. Had an overheating TiBook processor, replaced under warranty, solid now. I run several machines by the way. :) I like my job.
 
I have yet to try DriveX, but I have problems when my system stays up for a few hours of work, after using Flash, PS, Ill, or whatever. I have only IE, iTunes, AIM and Entourage open, yet I have 1/3 of my memory free, 55% is inactive, and 20% is in use, and my system is really unresponsive. I get the beach ball every so often for a few seconds. This is crazy, i know this is a G4 400, but come on, this makes no sense. After typing this, i see the system is a little more responsive, but memory management is not as good as they think it is, because my system hadles it so poorly. I see Drive X in my future.
 
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