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I have a strange problem, I get kernel panics nearly every time I boot the machine or restart. Following is the report I get after it boots:



Interval Since Last Panic Report: 47483 sec
Panics Since Last Report: 2
Anonymous UUID: 00347100-AA66-457E-AEE7-D3AEF18AC537

Fri Oct 15 00:45:43 2010
panic(cpu 0 caller 0x2a8ac2): Kernel trap at 0x58d20122, type 14=page fault, registers:
CR0: 0x8001003b, CR2: 0x000000bc, CR3: 0x20917000, CR4: 0x000006e0
EAX: 0x57e9b5e8, EBX: 0x084e8004, ECX: 0x00000000, EDX: 0x00000000
CR2: 0x000000bc, EBP: 0x57e9b618, ESI: 0x00000000, EDI: 0xffffffff
EFL: 0x00010246, EIP: 0x58d20122, CS: 0x00000008, DS: 0x07350010
Error code: 0x00000000

Backtrace (CPU 0), Frame : Return Address (4 potential args on stack)
0x57e9b388 : 0x21b449 (0x5ce420 0x57e9b3bc 0x2238a5 0x0)
0x57e9b3d8 : 0x2a8ac2 (0x590478 0x58d20122 0xe 0x590642)
0x57e9b4b8 : 0x29e9a8 (0x57e9b4d0 0x3 0x57e9b618 0x58d20122)
0x57e9b4c8 : 0x58d20122 (0xe 0x48 0x57e90010 0x58d30010)
0x57e9b618 : 0x58d292ef (0xc1d0000e 0x2000000 0x2000003 0x40)
0x57e9b6b8 : 0x58d49276 (0x57e9b848 0x9 0x0 0x0)
0x57e9b818 : 0x58d4b354 (0x0 0x600d600d 0x7027 0x57e9b848)
0x57e9b8e8 : 0x58f21ee2 (0xc1d0000e 0x2000000 0x2000003 0x40)
0x57e9b918 : 0x58f3061e (0x42e15000 0x2000000 0x88100090 0x3e)
0x57e9b988 : 0x58f325ee (0x42e15000 0x2000000 0x15 0x42e1501c)
0x57e9ba98 : 0x58ce4b00 (0x42e15000 0x0 0x57e9bbaa 0x80)
0x57e9baf8 : 0x57f4a606 (0x823a000 0x0 0x57e9bbaa 0x80)
0x57e9bbf8 : 0x57f4af34 (0x823a000 0x7fe6a80 0x57f4ad5c 0x823a000)
0x57e9bc88 : 0x57f9d269 (0x823a000 0x57fa445c 0x84de900 0x72c7320)
0x57e9bd08 : 0x57f9bbb2 (0x823a000 0x5 0x5 0x4bad654f)
0x57e9bd38 : 0x532987 (0x823a000 0x798e5dc 0x798e5dc 0x0)
0x57e9bd88 : 0x563364 (0x823a000 0x798e5dc 0x798e5dc 0x0)
0x57e9bde8 : 0x285002 (0x823a000 0x798e5dc 0x0 0x0)
0x57e9be58 : 0x21d7eb (0x7237d68 0x76b9184 0x7237d6c 0x7237da4)
0x57e9be98 : 0x210977 (0x7237d00 0x57e9bedc 0x778a5c4 0x57e9bed0)
0x57e9bef8 : 0x216bda (0x7237d00 0x0 0x0 0x0)
0x57e9bf78 : 0x293dd1 (0x7867568 0x0 0x0 0x0)
0x57e9bfc8 : 0x29f48d (0x7867564 0x0 0x29e6db 0x7867564)
Kernel Extensions in backtrace (with dependencies):
com.apple.NVDAResman(6.1.0)@0x58ce1000->0x58fb9fff
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(2.6)@0x51153000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IONDRVSupport(2.1)@0x57f45000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOGraphicsFamily(2.1)@0x57f8b000
com.apple.iokit.IONDRVSupport(2.1)@0x57f45000->0x57f51fff
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOGraphicsFamily(2.1)@0x57f8b000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(2.6)@0x51153000
com.apple.iokit.IOGraphicsFamily(2.1)@0x57f8b000->0x57fabfff
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(2.6)@0x51153000

BSD process name corresponding to current thread: WindowServer

Mac OS version:
10D575

Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 10.3.0: Fri Feb 26 11:58:09 PST 2010; root:xnu-1504.3.12~1/RELEASE_I386
System model name: MacBookPro5,1 (Mac-F42D86C8)

System uptime in nanoseconds: 49490831897
unloaded kexts:
(none)
loaded kexts:
com.apple.driver.AppleTyMCEDriver 1.0.1d8
com.apple.driver.AGPM 100.10.21
com.apple.driver.InternalModemSupport 2.6.2
com.apple.driver.AudioAUUC 1.4
com.apple.driver.AppleIntelYonahProfile 14
com.apple.driver.AppleMikeyHIDDriver 1.2.0
com.apple.driver.AppleIntelPenrynProfile 17
com.apple.driver.AppleMikeyDriver 1.8.4fc3
com.apple.driver.AppleHDA 1.8.4fc3
com.apple.Dont_Steal_Mac_OS_X 7.0.0
com.apple.driver.AppleIntelNehalemProfile 11
com.apple.driver.AppleUpstreamUserClient 3.3.2
com.apple.driver.AudioIPCDriver 1.1.2
com.apple.driver.SMCMotionSensor 3.0.0d4
com.apple.kext.AppleSMCLMU 1.5.0d1
com.apple.driver.AppleIntelMeromProfile 19
com.apple.driver.AppleGraphicsControl 2.8.56
com.apple.GeForce 6.1.0
com.apple.driver.ACPI_SMC_PlatformPlugin 4.1.1d0
com.apple.driver.AppleLPC 1.4.11
com.apple.driver.AppleBacklight 170.0.16
com.apple.driver.DiskImages.SparseDiskImage 283
com.apple.driver.DiskImages.ReadWriteDiskImage 283
com.apple.driver.DiskImages.UDIFDiskImage 283
com.apple.driver.DiskImages.RAMBackingStore 283
com.apple.driver.DiskImages.HTTPBackingStore 283
com.apple.driver.DiskImages.FileBackingStore 283
com.apple.driver.AppleUSBTCButtons 1.8.1b1
com.apple.driver.AppleUSBTCKeyEventDriver 1.8.1b1
com.apple.driver.AppleUSBTCKeyboard 1.8.1b1
com.apple.driver.AppleIRController 303
com.apple.iokit.SCSITaskUserClient 2.6.2
com.apple.BootCache 31
com.apple.AppleFSCompression.AppleFSCompressionTypeZlib 1.0.0d1
com.apple.iokit.IOAHCIBlockStorage 1.6.1
com.apple.nvenet 1.0.73
com.apple.driver.AppleFWOHCI 4.5.7
com.apple.driver.AppleUSBHub 3.9.6
com.apple.driver.AirPortBrcm43xx 422.91.27
com.apple.driver.AppleAHCIPort 2.1.1
com.apple.driver.AppleEFINVRAM 1.3.0
com.apple.driver.AppleUSBEHCI 3.9.6
com.apple.driver.AppleUSBOHCI 3.9.6
com.apple.driver.AppleRTC 1.3.1
com.apple.driver.AppleHPET 1.5
com.apple.driver.AppleSmartBatteryManager 160.0.0
com.apple.driver.AppleACPIButtons 1.3.2
com.apple.driver.AppleSMBIOS 1.5
com.apple.driver.AppleACPIEC 1.3.2
com.apple.driver.AppleAPIC 1.4
com.apple.driver.AppleIntelCPUPowerManagementClient 104.3.0
com.apple.security.sandbox 0
com.apple.security.quarantine 0
com.apple.nke.applicationfirewall 2.1.11
com.apple.driver.AppleIntelCPUPowerManagement 104.3.0
com.apple.driver.AppleHDAPlatformDriver 1.8.4fc3 - last loaded 44033115162
com.apple.driver.AppleProfileReadCounterAction 17
com.apple.driver.AppleProfileTimestampAction 10
com.apple.driver.AppleProfileThreadInfoAction 14
com.apple.driver.AppleProfileRegisterStateAction 10
com.apple.driver.AppleProfileKEventAction 10
com.apple.driver.AppleProfileCallstackAction 20
com.apple.iokit.IOSurface 74.0
com.apple.driver.AppleHDAHardwareConfigDriver 1.8.4fc3
com.apple.iokit.IOBluetoothSerialManager 2.3.1f4
com.apple.iokit.IOSerialFamily 10.0.3
com.apple.driver.DspFuncLib 1.8.4fc3
com.apple.driver.AppleSMBusController 1.0.8d0
com.apple.driver.AppleHDAController 1.8.4fc3
com.apple.iokit.IOHDAFamily 1.8.4fc3
com.apple.iokit.IOAudioFamily 1.7.6fc2
com.apple.kext.OSvKernDSPLib 1.3
com.apple.iokit.IOFireWireIP 2.0.3
com.apple.driver.AppleSMC 3.0.1d2
com.apple.driver.IOPlatformPluginFamily 4.1.1d0
com.apple.driver.AppleSMBusPCI 1.0.8d0
com.apple.nvidia.nv50hal 6.1.0
com.apple.NVDAResman 6.1.0
com.apple.iokit.IONDRVSupport 2.1
com.apple.iokit.IOGraphicsFamily 2.1
com.apple.iokit.AppleProfileFamily 41
com.apple.driver.DiskImages.KernelBacked 283
com.apple.driver.AppleUSBMultitouch 204.12.1
com.apple.driver.BroadcomUSBBluetoothHCIController 2.3.1f4
com.apple.driver.AppleUSBBluetoothHCIController 2.3.1f4
com.apple.iokit.IOBluetoothFamily 2.3.1f4
com.apple.iokit.IOSCSIBlockCommandsDevice 2.6.2
com.apple.driver.AppleUSBMergeNub 3.9.6
com.apple.iokit.IOUSBHIDDriver 3.9.6
com.apple.iokit.IOUSBMassStorageClass 2.6.1
com.apple.driver.AppleUSBComposite 3.9.0
com.apple.iokit.IOSCSIMultimediaCommandsDevice 2.6.2
com.apple.iokit.IOBDStorageFamily 1.6
com.apple.iokit.IODVDStorageFamily 1.6
com.apple.iokit.IOCDStorageFamily 1.6
com.apple.driver.XsanFilter 402.1
com.apple.iokit.IOAHCISerialATAPI 1.2.3
com.apple.iokit.IOSCSIArchitectureModelFamily 2.6.2
com.apple.driver.AppleFileSystemDriver 2.0
com.apple.iokit.IOFireWireFamily 4.2.6
com.apple.iokit.IOUSBUserClient 3.9.6
com.apple.iokit.IO80211Family 310.6
com.apple.iokit.IONetworkingFamily 1.9
com.apple.iokit.IOAHCIFamily 2.0.3
com.apple.driver.NVSMU 2.2.1
com.apple.driver.AppleEFIRuntime 1.3.0
com.apple.iokit.IOUSBFamily 3.9.6
com.apple.iokit.IOHIDFamily 1.6.2
com.apple.iokit.IOSMBusFamily 1.1
com.apple.security.TMSafetyNet 6
com.apple.kext.AppleMatch 1.0.0d1
com.apple.driver.DiskImages 283
com.apple.iokit.IOStorageFamily 1.6
com.apple.driver.AppleACPIPlatform 1.3.2
com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily 2.6
com.apple.iokit.IOACPIFamily 1.3.0
Model: MacBookPro5,1, BootROM MBP51.007E.B05, 2 processors, Intel Core 2 Duo, 2.8 GHz, 4 GB, SMC 1.33f8
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT, NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT, PCIe, 512 MB
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce 9400M, NVIDIA GeForce 9400M, PCI, 256 MB
Memory Module: global_name
AirPort: spairport_wireless_card_type_airport_extreme (0x14E4, 0x8D), Broadcom BCM43xx 1.0 (5.10.91.27)
Bluetooth: Version 2.3.7f1, 2 service, 19 devices, 1 incoming serial ports
Network Service: AirPort, AirPort, en1
Serial ATA Device: ST9640320AS, 596.17 GB
Serial ATA Device: MATSHITADVD-R UJ-868
USB Device: Built-in iSight, 0x05ac (Apple Inc.), 0x8507, 0x24400000
USB Device: Apple Internal Keyboard / Trackpad, 0x05ac (Apple Inc.), 0x0236, 0x04600000
USB Device: IR Receiver, 0x05ac (Apple Inc.), 0x8242, 0x04500000
USB Device: BRCM2046 Hub, 0x0a5c (Broadcom Corp.), 0x4500, 0x06100000
USB Device: Bluetooth USB Host Controller, 0x05ac (Apple Inc.), 0x8213, 0x06110000


I tried changing the memory, but I get the same result, I used techtool pro to check memory and video memory, it passes, I tried using bootcamp but it cannot partition and says in the message "backup and reinstall", I tried to reinstall but it always freezes on the line :
NVDANV50HAL loaded and registered.
AGC: 2.8.56, HW version=1.7.3, flags:0, features:4
Previous Shutdown Cause:3
DSMOS has arrived
NVEthernet addess 00:23:32:d6:11:90
Airport_Brcm43xx: Ethernet address 00:23:6c:82:99:5c
IO80211Controller::dataLinkLayerAttachComplete(): adding AppleEFINVRAM notification



Can someone help me
thanks
 

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What is the result when you boot to your hardware test?
It should come up by restarting while holding the letter D.
If not, insert your original installer DVD (disk #1 of the 2-DVD set that originally came with your MacBook Pro), and boot with that DVD, again holding the D.

If that hardware test result is OK, then try updating to the current 10.6.4, as you appear to still be on 10.6.3. 10.6.5 should be released in a few days, I expect. Download and install the current combined OS X updater. Here's the page for 10.6.4: http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1048

Your crashes seem to key on the NVIDIA drivers, and updating your system may help with that.
Do you usually use the low power - or the high performance setting (in your Energy Saver pref pane)?
 
thanks for your reply
my version is 10.6.4

I rerun the hardware test and it passed the memory and then gave the error:
4SNS/1/40000001:TB1T-0.000
when running the main logic board test. I am out of warranty does that mean the death of the machine?
 
That's a temp sensor error code. Could be a problem requiring replacment of the logic board.
Try this: Reset your power manager (called System Management Controller), by shutting down, unplugging your power cord, and removing the main battery. Press and hold the power button for 5 seconds, then release. Put the main battery back in, and plug the power cord back in.
Press and release the power button. immediately press and hold Option-Command-P and R. You'll hear the boot chime sound. Keep holding those same 4 keys until you hear the boot chime 2 more times. Release the keys, and let your Mac start up normally.
Try the test again now. If you get the same failure code, then the fix is replacing the logic board. (not cheap!)
 
I did what you suggested, and retested again, and there was no trouble found, what does that mean is that all, or this is a recurrent condition, thanks a million
 
Could be just a one-time glitch, and the resets cleared it. Will it ever return? I can't predict the future... :D

The kernel panics may have contributed to the error, or the error in the sensors caused the kernel panic... The only way that you can know - is to use your Mac, and if you get a kernel panic again, you can then decide what you must do...
 
its happening again this time in the middle of working, with the following error after boot:
Interval Since Last Panic Report: 129037 sec
Panics Since Last Report: 4
Anonymous UUID: 00347100-AA66-457E-AEE7-D3AEF18AC537

Sun Oct 17 06:57:43 2010
panic(cpu 1 caller 0xa635d7): NVRM[0/2:0:0]: Read Error 0x00000100: CFG 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0xffffffff, BAR0 0xd4000000 0x599d2000 0x096380c1, D0, P3/4
Backtrace (CPU 1), Frame : Return Address (4 potential args on stack)
0x58c9a238 : 0x21b455 (0x5cf328 0x58c9a26c 0x2238b1 0x0)
0x58c9a288 : 0xa635d7 (0xc6ff0c 0xcdef80 0xc7d468 0x0)
0x58c9a328 : 0xb76179 (0x943cc04 0x9337004 0x100 0x4415e40c)
0x58c9a378 : 0xb6dcae (0x9337004 0x100 0x0 0x0)
0x58c9a3a8 : 0x178981e (0x9337004 0x100 0x4bcd2cee 0x0)
0x58c9a4e8 : 0xb93f45 (0x9337004 0x9705004 0x0 0x0)
0x58c9a528 : 0xa6c836 (0x9337004 0x9705004 0x0 0x0)
0x58c9a568 : 0xa68af5 (0x0 0x9 0x0 0x0)
0x58c9a6c8 : 0xa6abc2 (0x0 0x600d600d 0x702b 0x58c9a6f8)
0x58c9a798 : 0xd22ec6 (0xc1d00051 0xbfef0033 0xbfef0034 0x837c)
0x58c9a808 : 0xd30eda (0x975c000 0x8c3eec0 0x0 0x3)
0x58c9a828 : 0xd522a9 (0x8c3eec0 0xb 0x28 0x443c2000)
0x58c9a858 : 0xd52319 (0x976d800 0x0 0x58c9a87c 0x0)
0x58c9a888 : 0xd35c48 (0x976d800 0x4c2e5080 0x0 0x1a9)
0x58c9a8d8 : 0xcfb41a (0x443c2000 0x0 0x0 0x3)
0x58c9a948 : 0xcfab25 (0x443c2000 0x0 0x2 0x3)
0x58c9a978 : 0xcf0b57 (0x443c2000 0x0 0x2 0x443b6000)
0x58c9aab8 : 0xd280d2 (0x443b6000 0x0 0x58c9abcc 0x58c9abc8)
0x58c9ab68 : 0xcecb61 (0x443b6000 0x0 0x58c9abcc 0x58c9abc8)
0x58c9abe8 : 0x562bee (0x443b6000 0x0 0x58c9ae3c 0x58c9ac74)
0x58c9ac38 : 0x56348d (0xd72dc0 0x443b6000 0xb470a88 0x1)
0x58c9ac88 : 0x563d41 (0x443b6000 0x10 0x58c9acd0 0x0)
0x58c9ada8 : 0x284a7f (0x443b6000 0x10 0xb470a88 0x1)
0x58c9be58 : 0x21d7f7 (0xb470a60 0xb8d25a0 0x1fd818 0x5633)
0x58c9be98 : 0x210983 (0xb470a00 0x0 0x93e3500 0x912c500)
0x58c9bef8 : 0x216be6 (0xb470a00 0x0 0x0 0x0)
0x58c9bf78 : 0x293eb4 (0x9063ac8 0x0 0x0 0x0)
0x58c9bfc8 : 0x29f48d (0x9063ac4 0x1 0x10 0x9063ac4)
Kernel Extensions in backtrace (with dependencies):
com.apple.GeForce(6.1.8)@0xce1000->0xd8dfff
dependency: com.apple.NVDAResman(6.1.8)@0x9ff000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IONDRVSupport(2.1)@0x9f2000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(2.6)@0x907000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOGraphicsFamily(2.1)@0x9d0000
com.apple.nvidia.nv50hal(6.1.8)@0x165b000->0x1a7cfff
dependency: com.apple.NVDAResman(6.1.8)@0x9ff000
com.apple.NVDAResman(6.1.8)@0x9ff000->0xce0fff
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(2.6)@0x907000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IONDRVSupport(2.1)@0x9f2000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOGraphicsFamily(2.1)@0x9d0000

but what I want to know why I can't reinstall macos and it always stop on the same line shown in the first thread posting, does it have to to do with the logic board, now I have to live with the same hard disk which can't be defragmented or formatted and macosx which can't be reinstalled and the panics, and will changing the logic board help, or do I just ditch this machine altogether
thanks
 
Looks like its something to do with NVRAM. We can only do so much on a free forum, even though some of us are techs and see this stuff in real time. Take it in for repair already.
 
I got the logs from ASD, the following is the startup ASD OS, before I press on start test:

Local machine info: Mac OS X version = 10.5.6(9G3553) IP Address:127.0.0.1 ASD version:3S130
==========================================================
==========================================================
ASD Log activity from [10/19/10 12:01:05] to [10/19/10 12:57:51]
==========================================================
[10/19/10 12:01:05] * TESTING STARTED *
[10/19/10 12:01:05] Main Logic Board: Check POST Results (test #1) - Check POST Results
- Check POST Results from last reboot.
[12:01:05] Test Passed
[10/19/10 12:01:05] Video Controller Internal: Gmux switch to EG and Verify (test #41) - Gmux switch to EG and Verify
- test will switch display to EG and Verify
[12:01:35] ERROR -- 28 [Mux switching Failed...Didn't switch error] -- TEST FAILED
[10/19/10 12:01:35] SMC: SMC EPM check (test #2) - SMC EPM check
- Check to ensure that UV and CV EPM blocks are programmed.
[12:01:35] Test Passed
[10/19/10 12:01:35] * 1 TEST(S) FAILED * [Elapsed time = 00:00:30]


what's peculiar, is that :
1. my OSX is 10.6.4 but the ASD OS test is showing 10.5.6.
2. If I run the test "Video Controller Internal: Gmux switch to EG and Verify"
it passes, even if done many times.
3. the panics always happen on boot, not when the system is running.
4. ASD EFI test passed all, and all other ASD OS tests too.
following is the test when done from within shen the system is running:


Local machine info: Mac OS X version = 10.5.6(9G3553) IP Address:127.0.0.1 ASD version:3S130
==========================================================
==========================================================
ASD Log activity from [10/19/10 12:01:05] to [10/19/10 13:03:02]
==========================================================
[10/19/10 13:03:02] * TESTING STARTED *
[10/19/10 13:03:02] Display: EDID Checksum Test (test #30) - EDID Checksum Test
- Calculate EDID checksum
[13:03:02] Test Passed
[10/19/10 13:03:02] Video Controller Internal (test #40) - Gmux switch to IG and Verify
- test will switch display to IG and Verify
[13:03:02] Test Passed
[10/19/10 13:03:02] * All selected tests passed [Elapsed time = 00:00:00] *


what does this mean, thanks
 
The ASD OS test does not use or test your installed OS X, but uses the OS that's on that ASD disk. In your case, it's 10.5.6. The OS test is just one of the two test modes, with the other being an EFI test.
All the better reason to take to an Apple service shop, who will have up-to-date diagnostics for your MacBook Pro, not the older one that you have. The current ASD for your MBPro is 3S132
 
I am in Kuwait and the service people are in Dubai, it is too expensive to send it there and then they will conclude that the defect is in the logic board, and it is too expensive here (around 2100 $), so I find it not worth it, that is why I am trying to do it myself if there is any hope in the machine.
why is failing the test on startup and then passing when the machine is already running, thanks
 
Perhaps I missed it, but what machine is your Mac?

A few things to consider. If your logic board is fried/frying, your computer will be fried . . . dead . . . so that is it. No amount of praying to the Gods of Apple will change that.

Since you state to have the Guru's in your "area"--Dubai?--repair it will basically cost the same as a new computer here are some things to try:

1. Ifixit Google-thou that and get the manual for your computer--even print it out. It gives step-by-step instructions designed for complete idiots like me to replace everything. I do not see where you specify your machine, but the newer ones are even easier to replace memory, hard drives, and flux capacitors [Stop that.--Ed.]

2. Check the Memory--yes, I know, a program said it was fine. They are not good enough to diagnose failing memory. The only one I am aware of is the shareware "memtest"--costs about $1.50. I had a failing chip that this program--and only this program--diagnosed. The Gurus at Tech Tools conceded that even their test fails to diagnose failing memory.

Under "stress" one chip can cause kernel panics. Memory is cheap, maybe you can even upgrade. Data Memory Systems is one I use since they guarantee their memory for life--and replace without question. Others can suggest other places.

So . . . for a few $$$ you may fix the problem.

3. Replace the Logic Board--online you can actually get them reasonable--here is a quick search of one place: priceit.biz, but I would use a place with reputable dealers. Some Gurus HERE can help you with recommendations. $150-300 is a lot cheaper than $2,100.

Follow the directions from the guide above. I did it. You can do it.

4. It Not the Logic Board--er . . . this is beyond my knowledge, but I trust the Gurus HERE--it could be something else, you replace memory, the logic board . . . and . . . there you go. IF you can just get the thing diagnosed, that might be worth it--then work on it yourself.

Best!

--J.D.
 
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